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Admin	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 28 Dec, 2012 02:09 PM The only way I can see the whole Doctrine of a 'pre-chosen Elect' being slightly true is the bizarre statement found in�Genesis chapter 6 and eluded to through out the rest of Scripture. Basically Satan/fallen angels intermingled their DNA with mankind and animals through sexual relations. According to Scripture this happened before and after the flood.�This definitely gives great meaning to the wheat & tares parable! : ["his enemy came and sowed�[n]tares among the wheat,...��Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field?�[p]How then does it have tares?��28�And he said to them, �An�[q]enemy has done this!.....30�Allow both to grow together until the harvest;.....gather up the tares... burn them up; but�gather the wheat into my barn.���] It is interesting to note in chapter 4:1-2 �"the man had relations with his wife... Gave birth to Cain ....Again gave birth to Abel" (no mention of "relations" between the two births; perhaps twins? Perhaps from different fathers?) Chapter 5 gives a list of the descendants of Adam; Abel is not listed (he was killed and had no offspring), but why is Cain not listed? Perhaps Adam was not his biological father?� Hmmm.....??? Post Reply
View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 28 Dec, 2012 02:17 PM Considering that Satan and fallen angels are spirits and angels in their very nature cannot take on physical form unless God wills it, I can't agree that spirits took on human form to have sex with people and/or animals. The only time we see an angel (or messenger) take on physical form is when God is using the said messenger to send a message of some kind. The only time I've ever even seen a biblical account of an angel relating to sex was when the men of Sodom tried to take Lot's visitors to have sex with them. And that didn't work out well for them from what we see in Scripture. Post Reply
View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 28 Dec, 2012 02:38 PM Thanks for posting; but in the interest of discussion you have made a big assumption: "Considering that Satan and fallen angels are spirits and angels in their very nature cannot take on physical form " Could you perhaps provide some Scripture....that would be coooool! Post Reply
View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 28 Dec, 2012 03:09 PM Ok, in the mean time I have a Scripture: Jude:6�And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7�just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after [g]strange flesh, are exhibited as an [h]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Post Reply
View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 28 Dec, 2012 03:16 PM In case you missed it: Jude:6�And ANGELS who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7�just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since THEY in the same way as these INDULDGED in GROSS IMMORALITY and went after STRANGE FLESH are exhibited as an [h]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 28 Dec, 2012 11:52 PM I would say that verse is a comparison/analogy, basically, "men abandoned what was natural to them in the same way angels abandoned what was natural to them". Personally, I believe that the "sons of god" that had relations with the "sons of men" were the humans that were loyal to God after the fall. They didn't degrade themselves like the descendents of Cain were probably doing, and were still in possession of much of the original vitality that God created men with. I personally believe that we as humans used to be much taller/smarter than we are now. Also, I don't think it's possible for angels to procreate, I think that God created only humans with the ability to "create" life, because He created us in His image(I think we were the first ones) and He is the creator. The design idea for humans may have well been what inspired Satan to jealously and rebellion, since he was supposed to be "perfect" and the most powerful created being in the universe, yet God decided to bless humans with the extra ability to procreate. Jesus also mentioned that while we are in heaven, we will be "as the angels" and not marry(perhaps only until God recreates the earth and we move back here though). I do believe that Satan probably invented genetic manipulation, and was probably messing with and corrupting everything that God created "good" and doing and teaching all kinds of weird things to us, but I don't think he was fathering any children. I don't think there is a verse that says that for sure though, I just don't think that is what was happening. I know the bible talks about "angels" that appear human, but "angel" simply means messenger, and it could have been a human "angel". If we're talking about heavenly angels, I doubt that God made us compatible, the descriptions of angels/cherubim/seraphim in the bible are pretty crazy. Who knows though! :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 29 Dec, 2012 12:39 AM �"the "sons of god" that had relations with the "sons of men" were the humans that were loyal to God after the fall" Except:Genesis 7:1Then the LORD said to�Noah, �Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to berighteous�before Me in this time. ------- in heaven, we will be "as the angels" and not marry Angels that don't marry are the ones in heaven, fallen angels may be a different matter?� Post Reply
View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 29 Dec, 2012 04:11 AM Much of what we read is interpetation. I think one thing we can all agree on is that things are becoming increasingly darker around us. The wickedness in our world and even in the local church is growing. People are becoming disheartened and we are becoming ripe for the anti-christ to be the saviour of the world. The accounts of people being abducted by some alien life form. Not that I believe in life on other planets but fallen angels disguised as such. Sharpen your swords and check your armor because the battle is coming and close at hand. Strengthen oneanother in faith. Post Reply
View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 29 Dec, 2012 08:24 AM "Sharpen your swords and check your armor because the battle is coming and close at hand." Good words at a opportune time Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 29 Dec, 2012 09:03 PM Genesis 7:1Then the LORD said to Noah, �Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to berighteous before Me in this time. Yes, but the flood was not immediately after the fall. There is no determined time frame for these sons of god to be marrying the daughters of men. Enoch was probably the mightiest man of God, and he was translated before the flood. There could have been many more like him, or many like Methuselah, who were either translated without seeing death, or allowed to die right before the flood. After the flood, there were only 8 people, but it only took them around 100 years to reach a population that God decided he needed to separate by their language. There were close to 1500 years before the flood, and considering humanity's recently fallen state, their long life, and their perfection of body and mind and environment, we really can't say what all had the opportunity to take place. I could see fallen angels genetically manipulating humans. Also, if they were angels/"Sons of God", it's highly unlikely that fallen angels would have that title, and I don't think unfallen angels would have perverted God's natural creation. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	A interesting consideration?! Posted : 30 Dec, 2012 08:22 AM Mark, I agree, a lot could of happened in that time. However as for the title "Sons of God" ; I think for a race that had lost its connection with God, supernatural beings from heaven would be called what? Take the Greek mythology for example; that is exactly what they did; calling them the sons of the gods.� Post Reply

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