You first have to realize those that are in Christ have an enemy 24x7
Yes he is defeated but he knows how to get believers off of the truth.
Mt 13:19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches
Mark 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
In Mark we are told of some of our inheritance while upon the earth, notice sisters and brothers, we are to quire sisters and brothers by winning the lost.
If you went by most of what is presented here, you would be dis equipped. to win the lost.
All those terms have been used to nullify the truth, the simplicity of winning the lost.
When you corrupt the word of God, it will not produce the harvest in the heart of man it is supposed to produce.
There is no discussion in the word of God concerning free will and I do not mean just those two words, for we have example after of example of people doing just that.
Predestination is not a term as it has been presented here, for there is no foundation or teaching that will agree with excluding man from the word of God, if one knows and understands the topic of faith they would understand predestination, The father always call things that be not as though they where. Yet we see and know by the word of God man can and has excluded himself.
SALVATION IS 100% FREE BUT HEAVENLY REWARDS ARE 100% EARNED:
Hebrews 11:1,6: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see....And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He **REWARDS those who earnestly seek Him!!
Ephesians 6:8: Serve wholeheartedly , as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will **REWARD everyone for what ever good he does!.Revelation 22:12 Jesus says, �Behold I am coming soon! My **REWARD is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!�
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, �The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and THEN He will **REWARD each person according to what he has done!�
2 Corinthians 5:9,10: We make it our goal to please Him... for we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15: His work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives , he will receive his **REWARD. If it is burned up he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
Colossians 3:23-25: Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, siince you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a **REWARD. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for his wrong, and there is no favoritism.
Win Heavenly CROWNS:
I Corinthians 9:24-27: Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes in to strict training. They do it to get a **CROWN that will not last; but we do it to get a **CROWN THAT WILL LAST FOREVER! Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly. I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize!
2 John 1:8: Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be **REWARDED fully!. Revelation 3:11: Jesus says, �I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your **CROWN!�
2 Timothy 4:7,8: I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the **CROWN of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge,will award to me on that day�and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for His appearing!
The **CROWN of Life for those who persevere under trials and persecution:
James 1:12: Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the **CROWN OF LIFE that God has promised to those who love Him!
Revelation 2:10 Jesus says, �Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer... Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the **CROWN OF LIFE!�
Matthew 5:11,12: Jesus says, �Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, beacuase great is your **REWARD in heaven!�
Hebrews 10:32-36: Remember those earlier days after you had received the Light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of sufferin. Sometimes you were publicaly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. You sympathized with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly **REWARDED. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you receive what He has promised!
The atonement is not limited. I John 2:2, "He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world." I Timothy 2:5,6 says, " The man Ha-Mashiach Y-shua; Who gave himself a ransom for all...." The Bible teaches that Y-shua is the Savior of the world. John 4:42 says, "And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Ha-Mashiach , the Savior of the world." Again I John 4:14, "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world."
The Scriptures make it plain that Y-shua came to save the world. John3:16-17"For G-d so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." �For G-d sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." No man will ever look at Y-shua Ha-Mashiach and say, "You didn't want to be my Savior ." No! No! Y-shua wants to be the Savior of all men. As a matter of fact, I Timothy 4:10 says, "For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living G-d, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe."
The Bible teaches that Y-shua bore the sins of all people. Isaiah 53:6 says, "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Nothing could be plainer than the fact that Y-shua Ha-Mashiach died for every man. First timothy 2:5,6 says, "For there is one G-d, and one mediator between G-d and men, the man Ha-Mashiach Y-shua; Who gave himself a ransom for all. . . . " Romans 8:32 states, "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?"
1 Tim. 2:5, 6 says, �The man Ha-Mashiach Y-shua who gave Himself a ransom for all�..� And no man will look out of Hell and say, "I wanted to be saved, but Y-shua did not die for me."
I can write 20 more pages about keep my salvation but let me say this.
If the blood of Y-shua is not enough to keep me saved give me back the bull/heifer at least the high priest can sacrifice them once a year and I can get saved every year for a little while any way. Have you ever wondered which sin made you lost? Is it prayerlessness (1 Samuel 12:23 moreover as for me, G-d forbid that I should sin against the LORD in ceasing to pray for you�). Could it be complaining, slander? Not all sins are the open grossest sins that all can see but G-d sees it all and the lack of all.
What is soooo funny about all of this is in the Paul fought the Judisers � Jews that wanted to make non-Jews, Jews. Now it�s a fight between Calvinist and Arminianism�. There is nothing new under the sun!!!lol.
There is Scripture for both sides to be honest. I don�t know what the balance is. What I do know is when I get home I�ll be hugging the �Who So-Evers�� and the �Elect�!
So I thought, hey is 'freewill' in the Bible...and guess what it is! I also looked up 'own will' as it applies to individuals...guess what it is in the Bible, too.
So here are the verses I found...brackets were added to highlight the phrase...so emphasis is mine...
Leviticus 1:3�If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish:he shall offer it of [his own voluntary will] at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the Lord.
Leviticus 19:5�And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at [your own will.]
Leviticus 22:17�And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,�
18 Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them, Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation for all his vows, and for all his [freewill] offerings, which they will offer unto the Lord for a burnt offering;�
19 Ye shall offer at [your own will] a male without blemish, of the beeves, of the sheep, or of the goats.�
20 But whatsoever hath a blemish, that shall ye not offer: for it shall not be acceptable for you.�
21 And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the Lord to accomplish his vow, or a [freewill] offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein.�
22 Blind, or broken, or maimed, or having a wen, or scurvy, or scabbed, ye shall not offer these unto the Lord, nor make an offering by fire of them upon the altar unto the Lord.�
23 Either a bullock or a lamb that hath any thing superfluous or lacking in his parts, that mayest thou offer for a [freewill] offering; but for a vow it shall not be accepted.
Leviticus 23:37�These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:�
38 Beside the sabbaths of the Lord, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your [freewill] offerings, which ye give unto the Lord.
Numbers 15:3�And will make an offering by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a [freewill] offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the Lord, of the herd, or of the flock:
Numbers 29:39�These things ye shall do unto the Lord in your set feasts, beside your vows, and your [freewill] offerings, for your burnt offerings, and for your meat offerings, and for your drink offerings, and for your peace offerings.�
40 And Moses told the children of Israel according to all that the Lord commanded Moses.
Deuteronomy 12:6�And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your [freewill] offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
Deuteronomy 12:17�Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy [freewill] offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
Deuteronomy 16:10�And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the Lord thy God with a tribute of a [freewill] offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the Lord thy God, according as the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
Deuteronomy 23:21�When thou shalt vow a vow unto the Lord thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the Lord thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee.�
22 But if thou shalt forbear to vow, it shall be no sin in thee.�
23That which is gone out of thy lips thou shalt keep and perform; even a [freewill] offering, according as thou hast vowed unto the Lord thy God, which thou hast promised with thy mouth.
2 Chronicles 31:14�And Kore the son of Imnah the Levite, the porter toward the east, was over the [freewill] offerings of God, to distribute the oblations of the Lord, and the most holy things.
Ezra 1:4�And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the [freewill] offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.
Ezra 3:5�And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the Lord that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a [freewill] offering unto the Lord.
Ezra 7:13�I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded [of their own freewill] to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.�
14 Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellors, to enquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand;�
15 And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,�
16 And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the [freewill] offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
Ezra 8:28�And I said unto them, Ye are holy unto the Lord; the vessels are holy also; and the silver and the gold are a [freewill] offering unto the Lord God of your fathers.
Psalms 119:105�Thy word is a lamp unto my feet,�and a light unto my path.
106 I have sworn, and I will perform it,�that I will keep thy righteous judgments.
107 I am afflicted very much:�quicken me, O Lord, according unto thy word.
108 Accept, I beseech thee, the [freewill] offerings of my mouth, O Lord,
and teach me thy judgments.
109 My soul is continually in my hand:�yet do I not forget thy law.
110 The wicked have laid a snare for me:�yet I erred not from thy precepts.
111 Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever:�for they are the rejoicing of my heart.
112 I have inclined mine heart to perform thy statutes�alway, even unto the end.
Daniel 11:15�So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.�
16 [But he that cometh against him shall do according [to his own will], and none shall stand before him:and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.�
John 5:30�I can of mine own self do nothing:as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek [not mine own will], but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 6:38�For I came down from heaven, not to do [mine own will], but the will of him that sent me.
1 Corinthians 7:37�Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, [but hath power over his own will], and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
2 Corinthians 8:5�And this they did, not as we hoped, but first [gave their own selves to the Lord,] and unto us by the will of God.
Just to add additional highlight to the words of my Saviour, Jesus Christ:
John 5:30�I can of mine own self do nothing:as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek [not mine own will], but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 6:38�For I came down from heaven, not to do [mine own will], but the will of him that sent me.
First of all, can you define what you mean by "freewill"? That's not a biblical tern so it needs to be defined.
If all you mean is something like, "I have the ability to choose whatever I want to choose," no one (and I do mean no one) would take issue with that fact. The theological debate surrounding "free will" has to do specifically with the question of whether man's will is *autonomous* (i.e. always able to choose the contrary), not with any question concerned WHETHER man can choose what he DESIRES.
I think my question is important. Personally I've never encountered someone who really argues for "free will" biblically. Everyone I've met who said they believe in "free will" has only pointed out the fact that the Bible teaches that men are capable of choosing what they desire to choose, but that's not at issue. I have some follow up questions depending on your response, but I'm just curious for now as to how you define the term.
I think the first question that needs to be asked is, what do you mean by "freewill"? That's not a biblical term so it needs to be defined before any other questions about "it" can be answered.
(Sorry if an earlier message from me shows up here; the site is running slow tonight and I'm not sure if it went through)
I think the first question that needs to be asked is, what do you mean by "freewill"? That's not a biblical term so it needs to be defined before any other questions about "it" can be answered.
*** freewill occurs 17 x in 17 verses of scripture in the original Hebrew texts translated into the AKJV...and 22 x in 22 verses in the NIV which added 5 more ...it means "freewill" and a base word is "Voluntary"...meaning of ones owns self...willingness...which is another difinition of the word freewill...to say it is not biblical is incorrect as it is found in the Bible....:0)...Yall hava a God Holy Spirit Filled day...xo
@teach_ib >>> "As shown in my previous post on this thread, freewill is Biblical..."
As explained in my previous comments, your statements provide nothing of SUBSTANCE or MEANING because you have not defined what "freewill" IS. How can you say "something" is biblical when you have yet to define what this "something" is you are talking about?
" freewill occurs 17 x in 17 verses of scripture in the original Hebrew texts translated into the AKJV...and 22 x in 22 verses in the NIV which added 5 more ...it means "freewill" and a base word is "Voluntary"...meaning of ones owns self...willingness...which is another difinition of the word freewill...to say it is not biblical is incorrect as it is found in the Bible....:0)...Yall hava a God Holy Spirit Filled day...xo "
I'm guessing you're referring to nedabah in which case you're talking about the freewill-offering. There is no other instance of the term "freewill" in the Bible. But the freewill-offering is a completely different issue. It was called a freewill-offering because it was voluntary; it wasn't a requirement like some of the other offerings.
I see you didn't bother reading my former comments with much care. As I have already said, if all you mean by "freewill" is the idea that people have the ability to make voluntary decisions, then you're not disagreeing with anybody. NOBODY takes issue with that fact. That is NOT what people reject when they say that "free will" is unbiblical. I've explained this already.
