Thread: Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
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Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 9 Mar, 2012 04:38 PM
Jer 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jer 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Jer 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
I had to give some context,as i want to focus upon the PROPHESY in verse 27.
In America,Why do we not teach the name(s) of YHWH,are they not of any importance these days
If the name(s) of YHWH are not important,then why did Yeshua tell His people that in discipling others,we are to teach YHWH and His names as revealed in the Word of YHWH.
The name(s) of YHWH as He has revealed them to His people
The Literal Translation:
Mat 28:18 And coming up Jesus talked with them, saying, All authority in Heaven and on earth was given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the completion of the age. Amen.
Youngs Translation:
Mat 28:18 And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, `Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth;
Mat 28:19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them--to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days--till the full end of the age.'
WHat does the name(s) of YHWH reveal about Himself !
Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 10 Mar, 2012 02:24 PM
Some of those groups insist on using a particular name for G-d and could be considered cults, however, I wouldn't lump them all in that category. A little leaven, leavens the whole loaf? Most of what you stated about some of the groups is true except for,
"But to mix Christ with the Old Covenant is of the spirit of anti-Christ, and a Christian does not want to do that."
I don't believe there is any truth in this statement and to suggest they are of an anti-christ spirit borders on blasphemy. Back in the OT, this was a serious offense and in other religions it still is punishable by death.
Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 10 Mar, 2012 03:28 PM
Sal writes:
Mat 28:19 Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Young's:
Mat 28:19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them--to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
So, which name did Peter tell the people to be baptized in Acts 2:38, brother?
Young's:
Act 2:38 and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit
Act 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins
Now, if we are to look at the Hebrew meanings and imply things from the Greek, then we have to conclude that EVERYTIME that anyone was teaching and preaching in the book of Acts, they were actually preaching and teaching of the Logos of YHVH. Correct? And that Mamre of YHVH is none other than Adonai Yeshua/Yehoshua (Jesus/Joshua [Joshua seems to be the same name translated from the Old Testament into the New.) Ha-Mashiach.
So, how do we reconcile the fact that Paul not once had Jehoshua's name ever translated in the Greek texts to his proper name in Jewish as John, and a few other Gospel writers did with certain names?
I'm curious to hear your answer, brother.
Me
I believe some if not most of the New Covenant was translated into the Greek from the Hebrew,as only Luke was not a Hebrew.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles,yet i believe Paul would have written to the Hebrews in their language,and Paul would have written to the Gentiles in Greek,seeing that Paul was a Roman citizen,and He was also a Pharisee.
I also believe that the believers are missing out on knowing Messiah more intimately, by not having knowledge of His revealed name(s) as found within the Old Covenant
Scriptures.
John_14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John_14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
John_16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
John_16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
John_16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Do i just ask in the name of Jesus,or is there a specific
revealed name of YWHW by which i can approach Him with in order to have YHWH show me Who He is,and What He is like.
Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 10 Mar, 2012 03:40 PM
halfback writes:
The major reason for the falling away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 is the arising, since sometime in the 19th century, of movements within Christianity to return to some parts of the Old Covenant. Dispensationalism or Christian Zionism is the most popular of these movements. Dispensationalists may say they fully accept the new Covenant and the Gospel of Christ, while honoring another house as the chosen people, and being proxies for them.
Although it tends to be anti-Jewish, Christian identity is another such movement - to return to the idea of the chosen people. Then there are the Hebrew Roots movement, the sacred name theology and several forms of Messianic Judaism. These last three movements seem to be gaining steam at the present time.
If it were not for these three movements, growing stronger now, there would be nothing wrong with studying the names of God. But there is something wrong in the worship of the name rather than the person of God.
What Scripture in the New Testament supports a worship of the Hebrew name of God?
The dialectic would say "Oh, no we are not worshipping the name of God in Hebrew, we are just honoring our brothers the Messianic Jews. Again, Matthew 23: 38 says "...your house is left unto you desolate." A Jew can come to Christ as an individual, giving up any claim to be of the chosen people because of his or her flesh. But to mix Christ with the Old Covenant is of the spirit of anti-Christ, and a Christian does not want to do that.
Me
To know and understand the name(s) of YHWH as revealed in the Old Covenant,is to having a more intimate knowledge and understanding of who YHWH is,and what He is like.
The character,attitude,and personality of YHWH is revealed in His name(s),and in Yeshua we find the revelation of who YHWH is,for Yeshua came to reveal who YHWH is.
Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Joh 14:7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you do know Him, and have seen Him.
Joh 14:8 And Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, Am I so long a time with you, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one seeing Me has seen the Father! And how do you say, Show us the Father?
To knowing the names of YHWH,is a means of WORTHSHIPPING Him.
How can people WORTHSHIP Yeshua without knowing who He is,or to know what He is like?
We do not WORTHSHIP the name(s) of YHWH,rather we Worthship Him for who He is,as revealed in His name(s).
Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 11 Mar, 2012 01:59 PM
I do not follow what Christians say about G-d. No office, well I do but I don�t �.
I do not believe in a trinity� I believe G-d manifested Himself as a human; He manifested Himself as a pillar of fire and a cloud and as water from a silly rock (Remember when Paul referred to Y-shua as the water in the rock??) as humans and angles several times in the Bible� Y-shua is the essence of G-d in human form� if one wants to believe in a trinity � so be it� He is G-d He can do or be whatever He wants. Any way �. Do you want to know the name of G-d who takes away the sin of the world� I�ll let you in on the secret� YESHUA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is the name of G-d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! under haven which ever man shall be aved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 12 Mar, 2012 05:45 AM
When You know The fullness of The gospel: you hear and see the revelations in the names of God.
When one understand their redemption from the kingdom of Darkness to the Blessing of Abraham In Jesus you hear and see the revelations of the names.
The know of all that is included in the term Salvation is the fulness of The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and all the provisions of the father, the sum total is the revelation of the father, (Love).
Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 12 Mar, 2012 10:01 AM
Passedoverinchrist writes: I believe some if not most of the New Covenant
was translated into the Greek from the Hebrew,as only Luke was not a Hebrew.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles, yet i believe Paul
would have written to the Hebrews in their
language,and Paul would have written to the
Gentiles in Greek, seeing that Paul was a Roman
citizen,and He was also a Pharisee.
I also believe that the believers are missing out on
knowing Messiah more intimately, by not having
knowledge of His revealed name(s) as found within
the Old Covenant
Scriptures.
ME: I see brother. Thank for explaining your reason for believing such. It is a blessing to read it.
As for me, I will explain why I do not stress uch things upon my brethren with Biblical principle and then go to explain my views on intimately knowing our Abba.
First off, verse 23:17 in Jeremiah was not Saying that people forgot His name, but within context, it speaks of people teaching contrary to Hi will and Word. That is what He meant of His name.
Also, Abraham did not know God' name ad was intimate with Him. He was known (still is) as the "God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob", which elohim was a generic name for Him. Job, who lived during the time Abe, knew not God's name, nor his redeemer's nAme, yet hd enough saving faith to be with the Lord.
Did these men not know God fully?
Now God made His name known to MoSeS becAuse of the covenant by which the Jews call upon Him s Lord of it.
Paul spoke to Jews in hebrew or armaic but he wrote in Greek. Luke wrote to Gentiles but the only possible evidence of Hebrew writings was Mt or John. Nothing else shows evidence of being written in the Jewish language, so we still have the problem of hAving a name to call upon. Right?
Well, now if it is a proper name that we need to call God to know Him intimately by, then that name is NOT YHVH or anything other than what my son, who has a relationship with me.
Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 12 Mar, 2012 10:11 AM
Repost due to my BB making errors (yup. My phone isn't so smart. Lol)
Passedoverinchrist writes: I believe some if not most of the New Covenant
was translated into the Greek from the Hebrew,as only Luke was not a Hebrew.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles, yet i believe Paul
would have written to the Hebrews in their
language,and Paul would have written to the
Gentiles in Greek, seeing that Paul was a Roman
citizen,and He was also a Pharisee.
I also believe that the believers are missing out on
knowing Messiah more intimately, by not having
knowledge of His revealed name(s) as found within
the Old Covenant
Scriptures.
ME: I see brother. Thank for explaining your reason for believing such. It is a blessing to read it.
As for me, I will explain why I do not stress uch things upon my brethren with Biblical principle and then go to explain my views on intimately knowing our Abba.
First off, verse 23:27 in Jeremiah was not Saying that people forgot His name, but within context, it speaks of people teaching contrary to Hi will and Word. That is what He meant of His name.
Also, Abraham did not know God' name ad was intimate with Him. He was known (still is) as the "God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob", which elohim was a generic name for Him. Job, who lived during the time Abe, knew not God's name, nor his redeemer's nAme, yet hd enough saving faith to be with the Lord.
Did these men not know God fully?
Now God made His name known to MoSeS becAuse of the covenant by which the Jews call upon Him s Lord of it.
Paul spoke to Jews in hebrew or armaic but he wrote in Greek. Luke wrote to Gentiles but the only possible evidence of Hebrew writings was Mt or John. Nothing else shows evidence of being written in the Jewish language, so we still have the problem of hAving a name to call upon. Right?
Well, now if it is a proper name that we need to call God to know Him intimately by, then that name is NOT YHVH or anything other than what my son, who has a relationship with me, calls me.
Have the Americans forgotten the name(s) of YHWH !
Posted : 18 Mar, 2012 12:45 PM
Sal replies:
Passedoverinchrist writes: I believe some if not most of the New Covenant
was translated into the Greek from the Hebrew,as only Luke was not a Hebrew.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles, yet i believe Paul
would have written to the Hebrews in their
language,and Paul would have written to the
Gentiles in Greek, seeing that Paul was a Roman
citizen,and He was also a Pharisee.
I also believe that the believers are missing out on
knowing Messiah more intimately, by not having
knowledge of His revealed name(s) as found within
the Old Covenant
Scriptures.
ME: I see brother. Thank for explaining your reason for believing such. It is a blessing to read it.
As for me, I will explain why I do not stress uch things upon my brethren with Biblical principle and then go to explain my views on intimately knowing our Abba.
First off, verse 23:17 in Jeremiah was not Saying that people forgot His name, but within context, it speaks of people teaching contrary to Hi will and Word. That is what He meant of His name.
Also, Abraham did not know God' name ad was intimate with Him. He was known (still is) as the "God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob", which elohim was a generic name for Him. Job, who lived during the time Abe, knew not God's name, nor his redeemer's nAme, yet hd enough saving faith to be with the Lord.
Did these men not know God fully?
Now God made His name known to MoSeS becAuse of the covenant by which the Jews call upon Him s Lord of it.
Paul spoke to Jews in hebrew or armaic but he wrote in Greek. Luke wrote to Gentiles but the only possible evidence of Hebrew writings was Mt or John. Nothing else shows evidence of being written in the Jewish language, so we still have the problem of hAving a name to call upon. Right?
Well, now if it is a proper name that we need to call God to know Him intimately by, then that name is NOT YHVH or anything other than what my son, who has a relationship with me.
That is DAD.
I love you brother.
Me
Every name of YHWH has been fulfilled and revealed in Messiah,as Yeshua says about ASKING in His name.
I believe as the Holy SPirit reveals more of who Yeshua is and what He is like,then we will pray and ask according to His revealed name(s).
In doing so Yeshua shows who He is,and what He is like.
Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh_16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Joh_16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
Abraham called YHWH Yehowah Yireh,GOD will see to it;
This was AFTER YHWH had provided the ram as the sacrifice.
Genesis 22:14
(KJV) And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
(KJV+) And AbrahamH85 calledH7121 the nameH8034 of thatH1931 placeH4725 Jehovahjireh:H3070 asH834 it is saidH559 to this day,H3117 In the mountH2022 of the LORDH3068 it shall be seen.H7200
(LITV) And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah Will See; so that it is said until this day, In the mount of Jehovah it will be seen.
(YLT) and Abraham calleth the name of that place `Jehovah-Jireh,' because it is said this day in the mount, `Jehovah doth provide.'
Jacob referred to YHWH as the FEAR of ISAAC
Gen 31:42 Except the God of my father, the God of Abraham and the Fear of Isaac, had been for me, truly now you would have sent me away empty. God has seen my affliction and the toil of my hand, and last night He judged.
Brother Sal,i believe the reason a persons children do not call their parents by their name,is that the parents want to be respected.
ABBA does not mind that we call upon His name(s) in Yeshua,as this reveals a maturing relationship,and dependance upon Yeshua as revealed in the Word,and in His name(s).
