Author	Thread: Greeted with an XO
Admin	Greeted with an XO Posted : 30 Oct, 2012 03:44 PM Luke 22 47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him. 48 But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss? Have you ever been greeted with an "<>< xo" by one who "follows Jesus" only to find a knife in your back when you turn around? Have you ever wondered why others who call themselves "Christians" go to such great lengths to obstruct and oppose those who desire to speak life and truth? It's an all too familiar scenario in"Christian" circles. If you've experienced this, you are not alone. Take heart, be encouraged dear brothers and sisters. You are in good company! Jesus said: Matt 10 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? John 15 18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. Post Reply
View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 31 Oct, 2012 07:57 AM At times, when she could not defend her stances, she would post articles as if they were her own. There is a slight integrity issue if that is occurring. Don't get me wrong, I draw from articles and the wisdom of others at times...but I do not copy and paste and use it as my own. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 31 Oct, 2012 11:04 AM It sounds like you've decided you're right and that she's wrong, but I don't think it matters too much, because she is probably doing the same thing. In the end, it's our behavior that is the fruit of a new heart. That fruit will be shown to everyone. Hers and yours. Maybe you're both wrong. All I can say is, we're all supposed to be trying to project the Christ-like character of a changed heart, and the most important aspects of that character are love/mercy, justice, and humility. Otherwise we're in danger of being really loud musical instruments. Truth is a process of christian growth, and it's unfair to assume everyone is at, or should be at, the same exact place. I know too many stories of people defending a standpoint all their lives, only to realize they've been on the wrong side the whole time and in need of repentance(been there, done that). :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 31 Oct, 2012 11:07 AM I mean I'm telling you what she did. I witnessed it. I'm not sure how I may be wrong about that. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 31 Oct, 2012 11:51 AM You can't be wrong if your side of the equation is all you see. I'm seeing you do things that could be just as potentially "bad" as what you're saying she did, and I can definitely put enough spin on your side to make you look really bad to other people if I wanted to. I assume you have the best possible intentions until you prove me wrong, but either way, it doesn't change our personal responsibility to treat people with respect and love, even when they don't deserve it. God did that for you and me and much more, it's a small thing to ask that we do it for our brother/sister, even if they don't return the favor and even if they're completely blind and even if they're actively persecuting us. Jesus and the apostles were never persecutors, they were the persecuted. :peace::peace: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 31 Oct, 2012 11:51 AM Our path to heaven is not paved on how much we know, and generally speaking, people who believe they know it all are the hardest to convince they're wrong, and therefore are on the most dangerous path. Take Paul for instance. God had to literally step in and knock him off his high horse:boxing:. "Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith" "Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall." :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 31 Oct, 2012 12:01 PM Mark, If you have any questions, feel free to email me privately. My personal testimony is that Jude is one of the most vicious human beings that I have ever dealt with including believers and non-believers alike. If I had been a babe in Christ, her actions alone would have caused me to depart from the faith. She and I know the truth. She remains insincere and unrepentant of her actions till this day. Post Reply
View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 31 Oct, 2012 09:01 PM Would you care to tell me what those things are that I have done? Calling out false teachers is certainly biblical. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 07:01 AM I don't know if you meant this, but I'm not going to talk about her privately. I do not know what has been done or said by anyone. I just got back. The only thing I can say is that I've known her in the past, and she was always consistent and kind to me personally, even when disagreeing. I do not think I know either of you, or your issues with her. If I were you, I would give her the benefit of the doubt, since it's difficult to know someone personally, or hear their method of communication, or interpret what they say/mean/feel thru text, or see their christian walk lived out in their lives over the internet. Since that is the case, discussions often spiral out of control through simple mistranslation. I do know that in the past, I was the object of "persecution" on this site, and I know what was said and done during that time. This is not John Calvin's site, or Jacobus Arminius' church. Discussion is encouraged. Reasoning together is encouraged. I understand that everyone doesn't follow the same theology, but since this is not a church, I think it would be fair to "discuss and reason" with those who don't see things like we do. It might even be easier to convince people of the truth with that approach. I understand that we all have the bible on our side in our own eyes, and I'm sure everyone we disagree with does as well, probably even some of the "false teachers". I still maintain that a difference of interpretation does not automatically make it a "open sin"(in some cases, yes), but if you can find text to support your view and/or if you think you're not guilty of what you're accusing people of, I'd be interested in hearing about it. I believe that this site desires that all Christians are welcome here and on the forums, and not just us, and I think we should respect that, whilst standing up for our own beliefs in the nicest and most respectful way possible, no matter what someone says or does to us. :peace::peace: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 07:10 AM What I've seen so far is a frequent use of the term "false teacher", which is the absolute worst insult to someone that considers themselves to be christian. I could label anyone who disagrees with me on any bible subject as a false teacher, but that doesn't mean it's true. Some people simply believe what they've read or been taught(and maybe it's the truth), and maybe we're wrong and/or not good enough to explain their "error" and convince them otherwise. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Greeted with an XO Posted : 1 Nov, 2012 08:13 AM Mark, I do not intend to speak about Jude privately. What I meant was that if you had general questions about any of my actions, I would welcome your questions privately. I am tired of the back and forth debating that ensues from the childish and unlearned horde who are unable to defend from the Word anything that they disagree with personally. Just an FYI, I have done a good deal to try to stop the use of "Calvinist" or "Arminian" in the discussions here. Yet, there are those who are so purely hateful of Calvin and the doctrines of grace that they are blinded by rage and unable to offer a dignified or respectful discussion. You might say that they "carry a lot of resentments and yoke around their necks" I've worked tirelessly both publicly and privately on this very issue. I have no doubt others can attest to this fact. Here is an example: http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/cdff/CDFF_generic/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=16304&forum_sub_cat_id=14 Post Reply

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