Author	Thread: How does man's faith rob God of glory?
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 08:28 AM Some say that faith before regeneration robs God of glory. The belief goes this way: God ordained that men must by faith come to Him and He will regenerate them, but some say this robs God of glory. But if this idea claims it is God who has ordained it, how can it rob Him of glory? How can anything that God ordained rob Him of glory? So, the next argument to that might be stated: "We know God did not ordain it because He would not ordain something that robbed Him of Glory". Which raises the next question: Why assume it is robbery? And if that assumption has no basis in the bible, then possibly it's a poor assumption. So, lacking any scripture saying that faith before regeneration robs God, what is there about having faith that makes us conclude that God is robbed? What does it take from God? What does faith add to Christ's sacrifice? Is there a logical or scriptural answer saying "faith robs God of glory" or "Faith earns salvation"? Romans 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving GLORY to God. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 08:14 AM How would merely believing or having faith rob God of His glory? Post Reply
View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 08:17 AM Man crediting himself though when it was God's act is taking glory from God..."so that no man can boast" Boasting in yourself is not giving glory to God. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 10:17 AM The verse you quoted is speaking of works when it says "no boasting", and that's kind of my point. Faith is not a work, faith is nothing to boast about, faith takes no special skill, it's so simple a child can have it. It's only hard work when you reject the truth. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 12:21 PM Yes it is speaking of things done in order to be saved. I asked awhile back if you would give a definition of work. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 06:30 PM A work would be anything that we try to do apart from God to earn our own salvation. Pharisees were full of works that they thought gained themselves holy points, they trusted in their own "righteousness" to save them. Faith is something we have in response to God already working in our behalf, simply believing, for instance, that he sent his son to die for our sins. Acts 8 "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing." 2 Cor. 5 " Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart. For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." John 20 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." Acts 16 "Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house." :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 8 Dec, 2012 03:46 AM So then, a man's faith by your definition can be a work. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 8 Dec, 2012 05:04 PM I don't see how, and again, faith is absolutely always the exact opposite of works. Never is faith considered a work in the bible. The only place I can find faith associated with works is when James says faith without works is dead. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 9 Dec, 2012 12:04 PM No, you defined it as something done apart from God in order to be saved. That's exactly what your definition of faith is. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 9 Dec, 2012 01:28 PM "A work would be anything that we try to do apart from God to earn our own salvation. Pharisees were full of works that they thought gained themselves holy points, they trusted in their own "righteousness" to save them. Faith is something we have in response to God already working in our behalf, simply believing, for instance, that he sent his son to die for our sins." I defined a *work* as something we do apart from God. Faith is only possible because of God working, we couldn't have faith without God, so it's exactly the opposite of a work. I'm not sure how you took that as me defining faith as something we do apart from God, but I don't think I said that, and I definitely didn't mean it if I did on accident.:laugh: :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	How does man's faith rob God of glory? Posted : 9 Dec, 2012 02:17 PM No you define faith as something that man comes to by himself though. God allows a lot of things or enables a lot of things. To take this to it's logical end, man sin isn't complete his fault because God enabled it. As I pointed out, your view of faith is a work by your own definition. Post Reply

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