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Are you ready for the 1260-day Great Tribulation which may occur in 2013??
Posted : 1 Jan, 2013 05:22 PM
THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, �All authority in heaven and on *EARTH has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!�
THE HARVEST IS THE END OF THE AGE!
Matthew 13:39-43: Jesus says, �The Harvest is the *END OF THE AGE and the harvesters are *ANGELS*. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the *END OF THE AGE*. The Son of Man will send out His *ANGELS*, and they will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. *THEN the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father!�
I Corinthians 15:22-24: �For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits, then when He comes, those who belong to Him. Then the **END** will come, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.� And so when Jesus comes again at the *END OF THE AGE* He will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father!
Mark 13:10 Jesus says, �The *AGE TO COME* is Eternal Life!�I Timothy 6:19: In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the *COMING AGE*, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life!�
THE DISCIPLES ASKED JESUS, �WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE??�
Is it a pre-trib rapture or the persecution and testing of God's saints and a great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation??
� Matthew 24:3,9-13:� The disciples asked Jesus, �What will be the sign of your Coming and the *END OF THE AGE*?? Jesus answered�.. {During the 1260-dayGreat Tribulation} �Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by all nations because of Me.� At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST* will grow cold,{THE GREAT APOSTASY} but he {The Called, Chosen & Faithful-Rev 17:14b} who stands firm to the *END will be saved. This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to *ALL NATIONS*, and then the *END will come!�
And then we find just before the beginning of the 1260-day Great tribulation that there will be saints saved by the blood of Jesus from *EVERY Tribe, Language and Nation:
Revelation 5:9: �You {Jesus} are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from *EVERY Tribe, Language, People and Nation!�
Just after the coming of the 4 Horsemen in Revelation 6:1-8 and just after the start of the 1260-day Great tribulation; we see this scene in Heaven:
Rev 6:9-11: When He {Jesus) opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain {MARTYRS} because of the Word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, �How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until You judge the inhabitanrts of the earth and avenge our blood?� Then each of them was given a *WHITE ROBE*, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed {Martyrs just like Jesus} as they had been was completed!
Rev 8:9, 13,14: After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count from **EVERY** nation, tribe and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing WHITE ROBES......Then one of the {24- See Rev 4:4,10} elders asked me, �These in WHITE ROBES�who are they and where do they come from?�...And he said, �These are they who come out of the Great Tribulatoion {Tribulation MARTYRS}; they have washed their ROBES and made them WHITE in the blood of the Lamb. At present the God's Word has only been translated into about 2,000 of the 6,000 languages in the world and faith comes by hearing and reading the Word of God! And so this prophecy in Matthew 24:13 above which must take place *BEFORE* the Harvest and 2nd Coming of Jesus will only be fulfilled *DURING the Great Tribulation!
The Heavenly rewards for the faithful and courageous *MARTYRS* is one of the most important central themes in the book of Revelation. For they will reign with Jesus in Heaven and according to Revelation 7:14-17: They are before the Throne of God and God will spread His tent over them before the Second Coming of Jesus. They will receive WHITE ROBES washed in the blood of the Lamb. Never again will they hunger or thirst and God Himself will wipe every tear from their eyes. Jesus will be their Shepherd and will lead them to springs of Living Water.:angel::angel:
Are you ready for the 1260-day Great Tribulation which may occur in 2013??
Posted : 3 Jan, 2013 04:59 PM
:waving:...I dont believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture either...Only "the" Rapture...How ever...I did hear a Shofar Horn blow around 3pm on YomKipur in 2008...no one else heard it around me...:zzzz:...So to my pea brain calculations...:dunce:..."the" Rapture will occur on YomKipur in 2015...:bouncy:...:winksmile:...:yay:...I know I know I know...no man knows the day or hour...:rolleyes:...xo
Are you ready for the 1260-day Great Tribulation which may occur in 2013??
Posted : 3 Jan, 2013 08:58 PM
WILL THE RESURRECTION OF THE CHURCH SAINTS OCCUR ON THE SAME LAST DAY AS THE RESURRECTION OF THE LOST??
John 6:40� Jesus says, �For my Father�s will is that EVERYONE who looks to the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the *LAST DAY*!��
John 6:44: Jesus says, �No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the *LAST DAY!�
Pre-tribbers believe that the *LAST DAY* mentioned 6 times in John 6:39,40,44,54;11:24,12:48 refers to a CONCEALED RESURRECTION 7 years *BEFORE THE LAST DAY*.� However, John 12:48 shows that the lost will also be condemned on that same *LAST DAY*!�
*WHEN WILL THE LOST BE JUDGED AND SENT TO HELL*?
John 12:48: Jesus says, �There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the *LAST DAY*!!��
2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire�.� He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!� {THE LAST DAY-See Rev 20:11-15}
Matt 25:31-34,41:� Jesus says, �*WHEN* the Son of Man comes in His glory,{On the Last Day} and all the angels with Him {See Matt 24:29-31}, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory.� All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another��He will put His sheep on His right and the goats on the left. *THEN the King {Jesus} will say to those on His right, �Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... *THEN He will say to those on His left, �Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire!���
John 5:28,29:� Jesus says, �Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming {The Last Day} when *ALL* {Both OT & NT Saints} who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out�those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.��
Daniel 12:1b,2,7b:� �There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then.� But at that time {The Last Day} your people--*EVERYONE* whose name is found written in the Book {Both OT & NT Saints}�will be delivered.� Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt�It will be for a time. times and half a time {1260 days-Rev 12:6,14, or 42� {30-day} months-Rev 13:5-{Not 7 years} *ALL* these things will be *COMPLETED.��
The pre-tribbers wrongly believe that the OT saints will receive their eternal perfect heavenly bodies 7 years AFTER the Church saints. However, in Hebrews 11:39,40 we read �These {OT super saints mentioned in Heb 11:4-38} were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that ONLY TOGETHER WITH US {NT Saints} would they {OT Saints} be made perfect!�
Actually there are many similarities between Revelation 20:11-15 and the Judgment of **ALL** the lost in Matthew 25:31-46 on the Day that Jesus comes again:****************************************************
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: �**WHEN** the Son of Man {The Lamb} comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on **HIS THRONE** in Heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left.�
�*THEN* the King will say to those on the right, �Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.� {The New Jerusalem with its New Heaven and New Earth�See Rev 21:1-5 & 2 Peter 3:10-13}
�**THEN* He will say to those on His left, �Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.� ....�*THEN* they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.�
Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, �As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it wil be at the END OF THE AGE. The Son of man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the firey furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. **THEN the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Compare with Revelation 20:11-15: "Then I saw a great white **THRONE** and Him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from His presence {See 2 Peter 3:10 and I Cor 15:20-24}, and there was no longer any sea. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the **THRONE**, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life {See Daniel 12:1b,2}. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them and each person was judged according to what he had done {See Rev 22:12} Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life {See Daniel 12:1b,2}, he was thrown into the lake of fire." The Book of Life is actually the Lamb's Book of Life as per Rev 13:8 and Rev 21:27.
Are you ready for the 1260-day Great Tribulation which may occur in 2013??
Posted : 4 Jan, 2013 01:45 PM
When you really understand tribulation the you can make the determination that the great tribulation could actually be a blessing for those believers who have to endure it.
Are you ready for the 1260-day Great Tribulation which may occur in 2013??
Posted : 4 Jan, 2013 04:29 PM
Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: [[[ and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, ]]] and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[[[ these are those that are not Raptured they are here during the "Great" Triblation ]]]
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Are you ready for the 1260-day Great Tribulation which may occur in 2013??
Posted : 4 Jan, 2013 06:30 PM
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
King James Version (KJV)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
:bouncy:Christians who are alive after the tribulations will be caught up to the clouds with the resurrected saints at His second coming.
Matthew 24:21-31
King James Version (KJV)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
:bouncy:God shortens the days tribulation for the sake of the saved.
Matthew 24:29-31
King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
:bouncy:Jesus gathers the elect at his second coming.
Revelation 8
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
1 Corinthians 15
King James Version (KJV)
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
:peace:The righteous are not taken to heaven or glorified until after the second coming, which is after all the plagues and trumpets.
Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
:bouncy:There will be people in heaven who lived through the tribulation brought by the beast powers.
Mark 13:24-27
King James Version (KJV)
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
:bouncy:"But in those days, after that tribulation...shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds"
2 Thessalonians 2
King James Version (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
:bouncy:The second coming will not be until a falling away, until after the man of sin is revealed(who will be destroyed at the second coming).
John 14:1-3
King James Version (KJV)
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
:bouncy: We go to heaven when Jesus comes again.
And also, a good example is the children of Israel. They were in Egypt while the plagues were falling. They had protection for some of the plagues, but they were still there. I believe we will be on earth for the final plagues/tribulations/persecutions.
Are you ready for the 1260-day Great Tribulation which may occur in 2013??
Posted : 4 Jan, 2013 09:42 PM
WHEN WILL GOD'S SAINTS BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE??
We can see that in Rev 22:12 and 2 Corinthians 10:5 that all the saints will be rewarded by Jesus on the same day as His second coming **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**:
Revelation 22:12: Jesus says, "Behold, I am coming soon. My rewards is with Me, and I will give to everyone **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**."
2 Corinthians 5:10: "For we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ, that each one will receive what is due him for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."
God's Word confirms many times that **ONLY JESUS WILL JUDGE** all the lost; the living and the dead; and will reward the saints on the Day He comes **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**. {See John 5:27-30; Jude 14,15, 2 Tim 4:1; Romans 2:16; Acts 10:42 & Acts 17:31 & Rev 22:12:
Acts 10:40,42: �God {The Father} raised Him {Jesus} from the dead... He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One whom God {The Father} has appointed as Judge of the living and the dead.�
Acts 17:31: For He {The Father} **HAS SET A DAY** when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him from the dead.
2 Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done in the body, whether good or bad.�
Rev 22:12: Jesus says, �Behold, I am coming soon. My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**.�
The pre-tribbers claim that this will occur 3 1/2 or 7 years **BEFORE** the Last Day of the Great Tribulation right after a secret silent rapture. However in Matthew 16:27 Jesus prophesied, �The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's **GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**, and **THEN** He will reward each person **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**.� Four other times in God's Word it mentions the Second Coming of Jesus on the **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation in **GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**: Matthew 24:30,31; Mark 13:26,27; Matthew 25:31 & 2 Thess 1:7
WHEN WILL THE LOST BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION??
2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire **WITH HIS POWERFUL ANGELS**. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�
So God's Word definitely shows that only Jesus will reward His saints and judge the lost on the Last Day when He comes **IN GLORY WITH ALL HIS ANGELS**{Matthew 16:27; 24:29,30; 25:31} or **WHEN HE IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS POWERFUL ANGELS** as per 2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10!!
Just after Moses and Elijah rise to Heaven in Revelation 11:12 the 7th angel will sound the 7th and Last Trumpet in Rev 11:15 and then.... �The time has come for **JUDGING THE DEAD AND REWARDING YOUR SERVANTS** the prophets and those who reverence your Name.� as per Revelation 11:16! {See Matthew 25:31-46}
