Author	Thread: Question to us freewill believers.
Admin	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 10 Sep, 2013 04:53 AM How do we reconcile freewill and the scriptures concerning election and predestination? according to our freewills? How do we reconcile faith as not being a work? I think these are good questions and we should be able to give account of them but without argument from outsiders and contentions, right? Where we get off track is when those seek to argure against our beliefs and they create contentions taking us from the discussion into argument. So to those who dissagree can you leave us alone to discuss this amongst our selves? Post Reply
View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 09:30 AM Hummm...I see...very well...May I ask a question?...seeings as it apears you do not believe in freewill or that it is biblical in the sense that others do believe it to be...Why is it you are on this thread ?...for it is addressed to those that believe in freewill and not those that disbelieve...I mean really...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 10:08 AM I've already explained why. You still haven't answered my question. You need to answer it before I CAN answer yours more clearly. What do you mean by "free will"? I can't tell you whether I agree or disagree with "free will" until I know what it is you are specifically referring to. Post Reply
View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 12:12 PM I've already answered you and you explained what you believe to be my answer...:laugh:...^^...and asked a question...if you dont want to answer oky doky...im not here to banter or argue or debate...you hava a great day...:waving:...xo Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 02:22 PM Ditto...explained, cited, and manipulating the meaning isnot necessary. Post Reply
View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 02:44 PM Brother Scott, I would like to encourage you to exit this thread. You will get absolutely nowhere trying to have a reasoned or seasoned discussion with this group. ( :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: ) And yes, they are serious in their responses. I know what you are thinking..... and yes, I didn't believe it either at first but it's true. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 07:26 PM Daniel 11:15�So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.� 16 [But he that cometh against him shall do according [to his own will], and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.� John 5:30�I can of mine own self do nothing:as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek [not mine own will], but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 6:38�For I came down from heaven, not to do [mine own will], but the will of him that sent me. 1 Corinthians 7:37�Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, [but hath power over his own will], and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. ***** These verses are not addressing the freewill offering... The statement was freewill is not Biblical...your opinion of the definition of freewill may not be Biblical in your mind. That is your opinion. The verses posted here show how individuals have poser over their own will...they are free to choose if they will do what God will's for them to do or not. In fact, Jesus even stated "not my will, but the Father's" . So Jesus, as a man, set the example for us having to empasize Not my will... Post Reply
View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 12 Sep, 2013 04:41 AM Amen and thankyou ladies and yes this thread is for edification and not debate. Here are some examples of a call then His deciples following Jesus. Jesus even states if any man ( will) come after me.... We have last an example on one called but his possessions prevent him from following because his will is bent toward his own possessions. How often in our lives ladies do we allow possessions preventing our following of Jesus? I know I still do. Isnt it beautiful the opposite things are in Gods Kingdon compared to this worlds way of thinking. No wounder why the things of God are foolishness to those who are perishing. 19And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. 20And they straightway left their nets, and followed him. 21And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them. 22And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him. 21And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 22But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. 9And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. 24Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. The thing I really want to wrap my brain around is reconciling freewill with predestination. How about you? It is obvious they are both clearly in scripture and seemingly at odds with oneanother but all of Gods ways are in harmony. Its just a matter of understanding the harmony in them. Post Reply
View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 12 Sep, 2013 08:02 PM 1 Peter 1...X <>< O Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 15 Sep, 2013 08:11 AM I'd say free will is pretty clear, no matter what you literally define it as. The bible is not about defining, it's about discerning. I do think that God will do His will no matter what our will is, so in that sense, we do not have completely free will. The examples of the bible concerning this include Balaam and Jonah and Pharaoh, where they were basically forced to do God's will against their own desire, but God did not change their desires/will to do His will. He simply made them do what He wanted, against their will. Really, the only place in the bible where I could see God "bypassing" will has nothing to do with salvation, but with "hearing" or "softening the heart", by which we are able to have faith and be saved, but even then(personally, I believe God uses other methods to soften hearts and open ears apart from just making it happen), that is not God removing "will", as it is still possible to fall into unbelief and be cut off. The best example of "free will" in my opinion, is Adam and Eve. Before sin, in their unfallen perfect state, in the direct presence of God, they chose to disobey Him against His will. If you can find a place where God removed that ability from us, then I'll gladly recant my position on the "election". I do believe that after the fall, humanity did reach a point where none sought after God except Noah and his family, and after, humanity reached that point again many times, so then God moves, shows them their sin compared to His perfection, and calls them to repent, and if they do, He relents of the destruction He brought against them and forgives. Jeremiah 18 King James Bible The Potter and the Clay 1The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. 3Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. 5Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Question to us freewill believers. Posted : 16 Sep, 2013 01:20 PM @teach_ib "Ditto...explained, cited, and manipulating the meaning isnot necessary." Teach, you are simply being dishonest. No one has ever argued against the fact that people make choices all the time. That is not what people mean when they talk about the slavery of the will. Look up Romans 6. Your refusal to hear what others say does not justify your assertions. Post Reply

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