Brothers and Sisters, I have been studying the Word of God for almost forty years. I was born and raised in an Arminian household. I believed the Arminian gospel. I imagined everybody does. When God converted me, I began to read the Holy Scriptures for myself, and the more I read, the more I saw, and see, the poor Arminian has no gospel � no good news at all. His gospel is a sham and a shame and leaves a poor sinner hopeless and helpless.
The Arminian says the eternal purpose of God is based upon man�s free will and choice. If one ask what�s wrong with such a gospel I answer it this way: it starts at the wrong place. The Scriptures began with God: �in the beginning God.� Before man had a being, there was the Eternal, Triune God.
The Arminian begins with man and his power and abilities to do something. Such a gospel deifies man and humanizes God. God becomes subject to man � man�s will and choice. It makes God a beggar, a bystander, as it were, pleading and hoping somebody will decide to accept Jesus into their hearts and lives. But God, in fear of violating their free will, can do nothing until man first acts. God�s whole purpose, according to them, is utterly dependent upon man�s unstable and changing will.
They tell us that Jesus Christ has done no more for those on their way to heaven, than for those who are now in hell. They tell us of a Savior who does not save, a redemption that does not redeem. They don�t tell us of an everlasting salvation that is in the Lord, but of a probation. Their gospel is nothing but a system of works, human merit, goodness and power.
Mr. Spurgeon said, �You can have such a gospel, you are welcome to it, and I hope you keep it to yourself.�
"And now being in another box of calvinism. Enjoy your box but we true followers of Jesus are free from box's. "
You choose your box it is called humanism, you serve an idol who is dependent on you making a choice. An impotent god who can do nothing till you choose him. What blasphemy.
D., When you see those long strands of serpent speak, just skip over them. That's what I do. They can always be summed up in one word: PRIDE. No point wasting the time reading it.
It will always reduce to this:
"The arguments that oppose these Reformed/Calvinist men here on the CDFF Biblical forum come from a group who between them do not have a single pastoral credential or earned degree in the study of theology. They have a demonstrated inability to comprehend what they have read. They often express themselves with fragmentary or incomplete sentences or unintelligible statements. In addition, their comments include many obvious spelling and grammar errors. Yet, they still believe they know better. It's interesting, isn't it? " IWA
Good point of discussion Michael...really like the discussion betwixt God and man...lets go back to the beginning for a moment...
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, [[[ neither shall ye touch it, ]]] lest ye die.
*** Notice here�Eve said more than GOD commanded in vs 2:17 above...Eve added to the WORD�not a good thing to do Obviously...this is how satan found his opening and he used it to deceive her�much like what some here will do�Snakes and Serpents�they are all Dragons�and they we�ll deceive the masses if you let them�
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
*** Notice how satan mis-leads and re-directs�Ima gona say here�that ANY Man and especially a Women that has truly READ the Scriptures and has a Eye to SEE and Ear to Hear KNOWS that this is the Greatest Deception of the Ages�Anything other than GOD�s Commands and HIS TRUTH is just satans way�Another Gospel.... X <>< O
You nailed it once again IWA, they will never comprehend the beginning..... Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God, they can not out of pride understand till God gives understanding and changes their hearts from stone to flesh. They will always worship their impotent god that they have to help.
�The Arminian says the eternal purpose of God is based upon man�s free will and choice.�
G-d in His sovereignty choose to give man free-will. As far as G-s eternal purposes have you not read Isaiah 53�. and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
Shared ~ You nailed it once again IWA, they will never comprehend the beginning..... Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God, they can not out of pride understand till God gives understanding and changes their hearts from stone to flesh. They will always worship their impotent god that they have to help.
:rolleyes:...Whats to nail ???...Have ya forgotten Yahshua aka Jesus NAILED it...no one here can nail Squat because no one has the mind of GOD...how errogant of some folks here to believe that some folks here do not understand IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED EVERYTHING WITHOUT MANS HELP!!!!...Speaking of Pride in such a way as to put Ones SELF Above all others is the real Pride...No humility is NO HUMILITY...sad really sad...Some folks DONT UNDERSTAND and FORGET that ALL are EQUAL at the Foot of the CROSS...YAHWEH aka GOD is no Respecter of Persons...this is GOSPEL...not Another Gospel... X <>< O
