Here's a new thread specifically devoted to both of you. Why don't you both exhaust yourselves here in this thread? Make as many snide remarks as you wish. "Out my identity" for everyone. Post up all the Scripture that you want to condemn and attack me. Feel free to bear false witness till your hearts are both content.
.... but please please please get that hatred out of your system once and for all so that we can all move on to something positive. :zzzz:
There are some here that would truly like to engage in dialogue about the Scriptures. That's very difficult to do with the constant contention that you both are now widely known for here. I am asking you to please take this thread and say all of the nasty things that you want about me. You have my full permission. Then, it's time to move on and move forward. Enough is enough from both of you. The horse is dead already.
Do you have any hard evidence that I am wrongfully or criminally deceiving anyone here with the intent of financial or personal gain, Jude? If so, present it here. If not, then you are again bearing FALSE witness. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. (Exod 20:16 )
Jude, maybe you think that repeatedly bearing FALSE witness against others is an acceptable practice. However, God does not.
It's also noted that you have no answer to anything else that I just presented. You remain unremorseful and unrepentant for all of your actions.
Prov 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Here ya go Z...IWalkAlone��TruthBeKnown��BobBobbins...etc...etc...etc...this is what fraud means...
fraud [frɔ��d] n
1. deliberate deception, trickery, or cheating intended to gain an advantage
2. an act or instance of such deception
3. something false or spurious his explanation was a fraud
4. Informal a person who acts in a false or deceitful way
Psalm 123:3 Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy upon us, for we have had more than enough of contempt. 4 Our soul has had more than enough of the scorn of those who are at ease, of the contempt of the proud.
........and as usual, the game playing continues. Jude, I've personally asked you to leave me alone - not to comment to me publicly since you cannot be respectful. I am asking you that again. Leave me alone. I will never understand what your personal obsession is with me and I do not care at this point. Just, leave me alone. Go find someone else to harass.
Oh my...You are a funny gent...:laugh:...you start a thread wanting me to talk "publicly" to you and now you say don't...:rolleyes:..<<< that's a Thinker incon...OK...I wont talk to you anymore...Have a GOD HolySpirit Filled evening...XO
I've made efforts w/ you Jude. For whatever reason, you either are not willing or not able to settle your issues w/ me and move forward. I am sick of the disrespect and the baggage. I have no doubt others are as well.
I gave you and Teach a thread to air it out so that we can all move forward. You are playing games and Teach is dodging the issue. Same thing, different day. I feel sorry for both of you. However, that sentiment does not negate your words and actions which are just patently offensive.
I'd say that Teach isn't dodging the issue, she's doing exactly what she should do. I see no spirit of reconciliation in what you're posting here, I'd recommend that both Teach and Jude just ignore it. If you want to play nice, treat them nicely, speak kindly, at least act like you care about them. I don't think I've ever seen you do that with Jude or Teach. It's always: "Heretic! Sorry, it has to be said.", or: "You're both so annoying, I'm sure everybody thinks so", or: "You have my permission to sin and make fools of yourselves. I love you guys".
Romans 12
3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
9Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 10Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 13Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
14Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. 15Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 16Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. 17Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
I will simply agree to disagree with you about these two women because I am tired of the ongoing dialogue over these two. I've had nothing but grief from both of them since I started sharing on these forums. By the way Mark, if you are ever interested in knowing the truth, go review the forum history. I was not the one who drew first blood with either of these women. If I based my opinions about Christianity on the way that these two women have treated me, I would have nothing to do with Christianity. These two have been two of the most vicious people that I have ever personally dealt with in my adult life.
Suffice it to say Mark, that you don't know the half of it. As far as I am concerned these two have behaved in a completely disgusting manner toward me both publicly and privately. I started this thread to air things out with the hope of moving forward. Believe that or not Mark, your choice.
As you know Mark, I have offered these two women the opportunity before to have the truth brought into the light publicly. They both categorically and immediately refused. I know why and so do they. The truth is inconvenient for both of them.
To refresh you memory: http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/cdff/CDFF_generic/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=18275&forum_sub_cat_id=14
Anyway, I really have nothing more to say to or about either of them. Pay attention to their threads and notice that I do not engage with them nor have I for quite a while.
For the record Mark, there is no malice in my comments above. I am simply stating facts. So, please do not read any emotion into my comments.
Also, I disagree with you completely when you say that Teach should "ignore" the issue. Teach should do her part to put all of this to an end as she has certainly done her part to create such a huge riff in the first place.
You said, "I see no spirit of reconciliation in what you're posting here". I've made numerous attempts to reconcile things. Some of that is public record. Neither of them ever has, Mark. So, as a courtesy to me, please at least acknowledge the truth about that. Thank you.
You may think you are doing everything correctly, I don't believe you are, although you're heading in the right direction. If we want progress, then first thing all of us should do is an attitude of repentance for what has already been said(again if need be), and move forward like brothers and sisters. The problem in the past has been, that instead of gently correcting someone, speaking the truth in love, you have wielded what you consider truth in such a way that it has accused and belittled and condemned everyone here that doesn't believe exactly the same way as yourself. You'll post or comment something about how ignorant and blasphemous anyone is who believes in, for example, "free will", and then you feel surprised and persecuted when people react. And I know other people do the same thing to "Calvinists", but that is never the point, the entirety of Jesus' teaching is about not following the example of anyone else and that goes for Jude and Teach wherever it is applicable. As far as your claims of "who started it", I doubt that they did, but I hope you see the childishness there. I have definitely been around long enough to understand. On top of that, this is not the first time I have experienced this. Back when I first joined, the forum was dominated by your belief system and I was the main target. Also, if you don't want people to read emotion and motives into your own words, don't do it to anyone else. You do not know teach's motives or attitudes or emotions, just like I don't know yours. You have said in the past that you do not respect teach or jude. This OP is not a palm branch, it just implies again that they're wrong and annoying sinners who don't listen to God. And for public record, I do think Jude has a bit of an impulse control problem and she uses humor that gets her in trouble, but I have seen her apologize and take the high road where you have not. I think Teach is stubborn, but I don't think either of them are malicious devil worshipers, and compiling all that you and Donna have said about them, that is what it sounds like you think of them. Anyway, yes, I'm well aware that Teach and Jude aren't totally innocent, I'm not either. If you can say the same thing about yourself and Donna then we're making progress.
First, I have never accused, condemned, and belittled *everyone* here. So, you are factually inaccurate. If you are going to dialogue with me by accusing me of something that I have not done, we are going to be in for a long and unpleasant conversation. Why is it that my opponents here choose to be intellectually dishonest and misrepresent me straight out of the gate?
Mark - Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. I have given that definition many times. Clearly, many here lack knowledge. I have shown and proved this many times. So, if I say "so and so is ignorant" after showing proof of my assertion, then I am merely stating an objective fact. It is doubtful that that is a problem for anyone other than the "ignorant" person. By the way, I too am ignorant of many things. The same exact thing can be said for blasphemy. If somebody, asserts that their will is greater than God's or "free" from God's, they are a blasphemer. Many here are blasphemers. Again, this is objectively true. These are not ad hominem attacks as many of my opponents are guilty of against me. This is also not bearing FALSE witness as Teach and Jude are both consistently guilty of with me.
Mark, I am not bothered by persecution. I am bothered by the pathetic double standards that are applied here by both the admin and other forum users. It's very difficult to be constantly labeled w/ various "insults" by people who claim that I am "insulting" them. You must be able to see all of the blatant hypocrisy in that?
Mark, history matters. The fact is that both Jude and Teach were the first to start the discord w/ me. Both are totally unremorseful and unrepentant. Both have engaged in vicious lies and bearing false witness against me. Both continue these childish antics currently. This is what needs to be curtailed for the benefit of all of the readers of the forum.
You are right that I have no respect for Teach or Jude. Why would I? On what Biblical basis? Just about everything Teach has ever argued has been totally antithetical to what the word of God teaches. I have shown that many times. I have no respect for that at all. Teach is the sum of her ideas so I am not going to "respect Teach but disrespect her ideas". The two are not separable concepts. Where does Scripture teach that I must *respect* anyone who repeatedly rejects the truth of Scripture? Again, on what basis should I *respect* either of these two women? I could name dozens of reasons why I believe I have a Biblical basis for not respecting either of these women but I am not here to have a "bash session" about either of them.
If you want to argue that I am commanded to "love" them. I would argue that love and respect are two distinct concepts. I would also argue that I have consistently shown the highest form of love that a person can give to another. I have consistently provided them with the truth of the Scriptures -- which is able to save their souls and make them wise. I have consistently exposed critical errors in their understanding of God, the Bible, etc. etc. I have given them bread and they have returned stones. Now, we could debate on and on about "the way that I do it" but I have yet to hear one legitimate Biblical argument that proclaiming truth objectively is "unloving".
Mark, it seems patently dishonest to the point of absurdity to whitewash Jude's disparaging remarks as "humor" Let's at least admit that the comments she aims at me are not "jokes". I've posted one of her recent comments right here in this thread. I fail to see any humor in the comment, whatsoever. Further, if you want to dismiss all of Jude's insults as humor, then why not do that for the comments that I make as well. Why hold to a double standard? I've said this before, either we should all live with and accept a certain amount of terse banter here on the forums or we should all agree to live up to a rigid standard. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
Mark, I do not ever recall stating that I, myself, am totally innocent of anything. In fact, I have offered unsolicited apologies to others here both publicly and privately several times. The weaker part of your argument here is that you are not comparing apples with apples. You are painting with a broad brush when you simply reduce the argument down to " we are all guilty" Clearly, you do not believe that you are guilty of the same offenses and to the same degree as I am, right? Well, I do not believe that I am guilty of the same offenses and to the same degree as Jude and Teach, either.
In closing, I hope that you will take more time next time to more carefully weigh your word choices. Painting things in extremes might make for a good argument but it will prove to be factually inaccurate upon examination which will undermine your credibility.
