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Was Paul an Apostle? Can you actually prove, or disprove it, with scripture
Posted : 29 Sep, 2017 10:23 PM

I think respectful debates are honorable, challenging and useful exercises of the mind... whereas, to fall into childish, dead-end arguments with one who hopes to win a debate by declaring 'because I said so'... or 'because Tynedale said so'... or 'because Spurgeon said so'... or 'Luther'... etc.. etc.. etc... (place any name in the sentence you might choose)... is a waste of time... So I would like to see what others have to say - but it must be backed up by solid scripture - presented accurately within the context, of the line of meaningful thought of the passages wherein the verse(s) are found... Anyone interested in such a discussion?

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Was Paul an Apostle? Can you actually prove, or disprove it, with scripture
Posted : 21 Oct, 2017 08:27 PM

Hi Hark, I do not have an 8 hour shift, I work 10 - 12+ hours Monday thru Friday, but I had forgotten to finish this.



Act 26:9



�Indeed, I myself thought I must do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.



Act 26:10

�This I also did in Jerusalem, and many of the saints I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I cast my vote against them.



Act 26:11

�And I punished them often in every synagogue and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly enraged against them, I persecuted them even to foreign cities.



Act 26:12

�While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,



Act 26:13

�at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me.



Act 26:14

�And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, �Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.�



Act 26:15

�So I said, �Who are You, Lord?� And He said, �I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.



Act 26:16

�But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you.



Act 26:17

�I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you,



Act 26:18

�to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.�



Act 26:19



�Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision,



Act 26:20

�but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.



Act 26:21

�For these reasons the Jews seized me in the temple and tried to kill me.



Act 26:22

�Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing both to small and great, saying no other things than those which the prophets and Moses said would come�

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Was Paul an Apostle? Can you actually prove, or disprove it, with scripture
Posted : 22 Oct, 2017 04:56 PM

Silver said:



"The eleven disciples lived with Jesus for a couple of years,"



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Matityahu 10:



(CLV) Mt 10:2

Now the names of the TWELVE apostles are these: First, Simon, termed Peter, and Andrew, his brother, and James of Zebedee, and John, his brother;



(CLV) Mt 10:3

Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew, the tribute collector, James of Alpheus and Thaddeus,



(CLV) Mt 10:4

Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot who also |gives Him up.

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Was Paul an Apostle? Can you actually prove, or disprove it, with scripture
Posted : 22 Oct, 2017 08:33 PM

Apostle Paul is personally chosen by LORD JESUS CHRIST, as His 'instrument', to carry His name to the list tribes of Israel and Gentiles.



An Apostle in expansion to CHRIST's work, in order to make disciples of all nation. Apostle Paul did claim that he too preached the Gospel, when he was not disciple like the twelve, by CHRIST.



Apostle Peter referred to him as 'brother Paul', who acknowledged that Paul's teaching, 'according to the wisdom given him, were difficult to understand, where some have 'twisted' them, as they do other Scriptures, to their own destruction.



First lets ask ourselves, was King Solomon's wisdom come from the discipleship of a scribe?



Second, does Apostle Paul's teaching in the New Testament, contradict with the other Apostles' within?

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Posted : 23 Oct, 2017 04:08 PM

Fredjames said:



"Second, does Apostle Paul's teaching in the New Testament, contradict with the other Apostles' within?"



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Paul's teaching?



Matityahu 23:8



(CLV) Mt 23:8

"Now you may not be called Rabbi, for One is your Teacher, yet you all are brethren.



Let's not worry so much about Sha'ul contradicting Yahshua's Apostles. It seems that Sha'ul contradicted Yahshua again and again.

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Posted : 23 Oct, 2017 05:31 PM

GNWS said:



The English word 'apostle' comes from the Greek word 'apostello' which means 'sent one'



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Lexicon :: Strong's G649 - apostellō



The KJV translates Strong's G649 in the following manner: send (110x), send forth (15x), send away (4x), send out (2x), miscellaneous (2x).



Lexicon :: Strong's G652 - apostolos



The KJV translates Strong's G652 in the following manner: APOSTLE (78x), messenger (2x), he that is sent (1x).



https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g652



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Posted : 23 Oct, 2017 05:38 PM

GNWS said:



Act 9:15



But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;



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The Greek word "APOSTELOS" is nowhere to be found in this verse.

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Posted : 24 Oct, 2017 10:20 PM

There are some Satanists who claim: "Luke told the story of the vision Paul claimed to have on the road to Damascus and every time Luke told the story the details changed. You may want to read it for yourself."



**BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**?? Some things were added but there are **NO CONTRADICTIONS**!!



Acts 9:3-5; 15-17: As he {Saul or Paul} neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. he fell to the ground and heard a Voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" "Who are you Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus who you are persecuting," He replied. "Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.".... The Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT** to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel." Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, The Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit!.



Acts 22:6-15: Saul {Paul} said, "About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a Voice say to me. 'Saul, Saul! Why do you persecute Me?'" "Who are you Lord?" I asked. "I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting," He replied. "What shall I do Lord?" I asked. "Get up," the Lord said, "And go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do." "A man named Ananias came to see me. He stood beside me and said, 'Brother Saul, receive tour sight.' And that moment I was able to see him "Then he said: "The God of our ancestors has chosen you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth. You will be His witness to all people of what you have seen and heard.'"



Acts 26:13-18: I was going to Damascus. About noon, King Agrippa, as I was on the road, I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, blazing around me. We all fell to the ground, and I heard a Voice saying to me, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me? Then I asked, "Who are you Lord?" "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," the Lord replied. "I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of Me. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in Me!"



Luke called Paul an **APOSTLE** in Acts 14:14 which was after the Apostle James was martyred in Acts 12:2. Paul calls himself an **APOSTLE** 17 times in the NT.



Galatians 1:1: Paul an **APOSTLE**--sent not by men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father!



2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote to you with the **WISDOM THAT GOD GAVE HIM**. He writes in the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people {Like TNT} distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction!!



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Posted : 21 Nov, 2017 01:30 AM

You misunderstand, Apostle Paul's teaching comes from according to the wisdom given him, verifies Apostle Peter himself. And also what the LORD have said to address to the church.



JESUS through the HOLY SPIRIT is the only Teacher, and the Torah Scriptures and JESUS' words of 'spirit' and 'life' is conformed within Apostle Paul in wisdom. As King Solomon posses the wisdom given him as well.



Apostle Paul is an chosen 'instrument' of JESUS, and he said to the church, 'Imitate me as I imitate CHRIST.' So we know from the book of Acts, JESUS personally chose Apostle Paul, as He did the 'twelve', and there is no mistake about it.



Please remember this that, "Many are called but only a few are chosen."



And sorry for the late reply, for i did know how to activate efficiently on this site, until now. Thank you.

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