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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 25 Jun, 2010 08:53 AMWhilst there is more to Calvinism than five points, these are the major points on which Calvinism rests. They are called the T-U-L-I-P. Point 1, Total Depravity; Point 2, Unconditional Election; Point 3, Limited Attonement; Point 4, Irresistable Grace; and Point 5, Perseverence of the Saints. |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 09:12 AMI wish you would have made a post one just one of the 5 points instead of all of them at once. There is just to much information to post on all of them at once. |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 09:42 AMTotal depravity does not mean a bad person can't do a good deed. You can go to the hardest of criminals in prison and they will even tell you they have a "good" heart and have done good deeds, and they have stolen, killed, raped and have done other hideous crimes, yet they are still "criminals". What it means is we are totally depraved in getting to Heaven on the good deeds we perform between our sinful offenses against a Holy God. It means if we offer our good deed to God as a merit for us to justify our way into Heaven God will see those deeds as filthy rags being offered to Him. It means there is none good, NO NOT one! |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 09:58 AMWell Mr. Row, |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 10:25 AMZaohagios, |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 11:35 AMDoesn't matter how well versed a person is they can still be wrong. I don't know anyone, myself included that hold to the doctrines of grace that would say total depravity is as you claim not being able to do a good deed. You have missed the point altogether. First off what standard are we using to know what is good? The bible says no one is good but God. So if God is the standard of what is good then no one is even close to good, that is unless you radically lower the standard of what is good. Remember good and nice are not the same thing. Anyone can do a kind act in a moment of self gratitude, being nice makes you feel good no matter who you are, you don't have be a be a Christian to get that good feeling from doing nice deeds to justify yourself or appease the conscience. In our eyes we see a nice act as a good deed but God sees the heart and knows it's deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, so a good deed by our standard would be an offense towards a Holy God. |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 01:41 PMMr Row has it exactly right. What has been described above is Hyper-Calvinism. I have never even met anyone who agreed with any of that, and I have known many Calvinists. |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 02:14 PMLeon smart reply, I liked how you wrote that.It is classy. Food to think on, maybe that is what it took to get you saved. Maybe the call was so strong you were chosen to preach.Dennis |
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DontHitThatMark
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 02:42 PMWell...I had a nice long post about the Parable of the Sower with a bunch of verses that took me close to 3 hours to finish...but...the horrendous CDFF auto-logout ate it. Maybe I'll do it again later...I'm too exasperated at the moment. Just want you guys to know I tried, lol. You'd get the basic idea just reading the parable yourselves though. God spreads the seed everywhere. Some accept it and are growing in Christ but they fall away, etc. etc. free will...blahblahblahtotalIdonotbelievetotaldepravityoroncesavedalwayssavedistrueblahblahblah. Yes, God does everything, but we must believe the truth. |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 04:27 PMMark, you wrote: |
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Calvinism, The Five Points and PredestinationPosted : 26 Jun, 2010 04:45 PMThe kicking and screaming is a metaphor of the spirit fighting the flesh. The kicking was my flesh wanted no part of a life of self denial, taking up my cross daily in self sacrifice with trials, tribulation and fighting off temptations. The screaming was me trying to justify the sins that I wanted to hang on to. My life didn't take a swing upward at conversion it was more like a plane in a nose dive crash. I totally reject prosperity preaching. Christianity is about salvation before a Holy and Just God that was gracious to save me through His love demonstrated on the cross. |
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