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Posted : 27 May, 2013 10:36 AM

It's a gift. But why don't some people get it no matter how many thousand times they asked for it??? Is it biblically right to teach someone how to speak in tongues? Thanks.

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Posted : 30 May, 2013 08:29 PM

Conclusion???

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Posted : 31 May, 2013 02:58 AM

Conclusion???



Do you have a bible?

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Posted : 31 May, 2013 05:51 AM

1 Cor. 12:8

"For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills."



Verydeepme, I think this verse is answering your question. The Holy Spirit gives the gifts of the spirit as he sees fit, so NO one can "teach" it to you, and every one does NOT necessarily get the same gifts. Speaking in tongues is NOT the only evidence that you have the holy spirit working in you. Faith is a gift of the spirit, utterance of knowledge is a gift of the spirit, etc. Paul uses the analogy that we are many members in one body, with various functions. We are not all the "tongue".



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Posted : 31 May, 2013 06:53 AM

1 Cor. 12:8



"For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills."







Verydeepme, I think this verse is answering your question. The Holy Spirit gives the gifts of the spirit as he sees fit, so NO one can "teach" it to you, and every one does NOT necessarily get the same gifts. Speaking in tongues is NOT the only evidence that you have the holy spirit working in you. Faith is a gift of the spirit, utterance of knowledge is a gift of the spirit, etc. Paul uses the analogy that we are many members in one body, with various functions. We are not all the "tongue".



You are not explaining gifts as they are taught.



One has to rightly the word of truth.



Speaking in tongues is not the gift of tongues.



For they knew they received the Holy Ghost for they spoke in tongues, A spirit filled believer can speak in tongues at his discretion, anytime any place. Man outside of The gift of the holy Ghost can not expound on that any more than, a sinner can explain the new birth.

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Posted : 31 May, 2013 08:02 AM

The gift of tongues isn't speaking in tongues? I don't think that is true, but if you do, then here is another verse for you later in the chapter that directly says that all will NOT be speaking in tongues. Also notice that "tongues" are last on the list of important gifts of the spirit. I would go so far as to say that "love" is the only important determining attribute of a christian. I hope you'll notice that speaking in tongues and the gift of tongues are directly compared to each other and all the other gifts of the spirit as well.



"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."



"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,b but do not have love, I gain nothing."



"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."



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Posted : 31 May, 2013 03:42 PM

"To all that receive the gift of the holy ghost will speak in tongues"



God's gift of the Spirit is our down payment, our guarantee of that to come - completely separate to the gifts the Spirit Himself bestows on us. What you've said above sounds vaguely similar, but is not the same thing - the Spirit is the proof of your salvation, the gifts themselves are not.



Prophecy, tongues and interpretation can all be faked, the Spirit cannot. Don't cause your brothers and sisters to stumble by believing they don't have the Spirit because they don't have the gift of tongues - there's better gifts to have that the church needs also.

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Posted : 31 May, 2013 05:01 PM

God's gift of the Spirit is our down payment, our guarantee of that to come - completely separate to the gifts the Spirit Himself bestows on us. What you've said above sounds vaguely similar, but is not the same thing - the Spirit is the proof of your salvation, the gifts themselves are not.



Correction I am not the author of the word of God, the Holy Spirit is the only author



I am assuming you are a christian, and so being would believe you would know the word of God before you speak, it would be impossible for you to be walking in the light of the word and respond as you have. no man can fake any gift of the spirit ever. The word of God is the proof of our salvation not the holy spirit.



Prophecy, tongues and interpretation can all be faked, the Spirit cannot. Don't cause your brothers and sisters to stumble by believing they don't have the Spirit because they don't have the gift of tongues - there's better gifts to have that the church needs also.



I said absolutely nothing as if people where not saved if they had not received the gift of the Holy Ghost, nor did i say the gift of tongues is the same as speaking in tongues those are your statements.



If you desire to walk in the truth I can simply show you the word of truth, any christian can accept and see truth if they will discern it spiritually and not with their mind, the Holy Spirit always confirms the word of God. Not one thing I have said is not 100 percent the word of God.

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Posted : 2 Jun, 2013 03:28 PM

I visited another church this morning - and guess what the sermon was about? The gift of tongues! Long story short, they also say that tongues are not given to all believers. If you doubt me then Corinthians 13, 14 and 15 discuss this at length and Paul is very clear that different gifts are given different people, only some of which have the gift of tongues. The mentions in Acts of the Spirit coming on people and them speaking in tongues (pentecost and Peter at Cornelius' house) is misunderstood - we know the Spirit came on those people BECAUSE they spoke in tongues, but in other places, the Spirit comes on people and they prophesy instead. Real tongues can't be present without the Spirit, but the Spirit can be present without tongues.



As for the claim that not all believers have the Spirit, then 2 Corinth 1:22 shows this not to be true. It is one of the hallmarks of a true believer rather than someone who claims to be. For a believer not to have the Spirit is a strange relationship with God, though I grant there are many who call themselves believers but do not have the Spirit because He recognises His own (Romans 8:16). If you've been taught something different then read those bits for yourself, perhaps in a different translation, and make up your own mind which is the truth because what's written is very clear on the matter.

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Posted : 2 Jun, 2013 08:36 PM

At the end of 1 Cor. 12, Paul talks about a more excellent way than coveting/having the gifts of the spirit listed in that chapter. At the beginning of chapter 13 he describes that more excellent way, and he's describing love and it's attributes. He goes on to point out that the gifts of the spirit are prone to failure. Prophecy will fail, tongues will cease, but love never fails. I think that love is the most basic gift of the spirit, and it's the greatest gift, and the only unfailing "gift of the spirit" dwelling in you.



1 Cor. 13:8

"Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.



It's almost as if Paul is saying that the gifts of the spirit are to be coveted, but they are not the most important identifying attribute of a christian. Personally, I think the only indwelling "spirit" that a person needs to be considered a christian is the love that Paul describes in chapter 13.



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Posted : 25 Jun, 2013 06:10 PM

Hmmm one person really gave a lot of their evidence that God does not speak to us like he did long time ago I think that is false. If he does not it is only because we not believe anymore and therefore not looking to hear God like that.



When you get time listen to this youtube video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da-WMdu3qd4



It's called " When God Seems Silent" God not change only we do..

After you watch this video you decide by prayer if what this man say in the video is true or a lie..



God blesss

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