Thread: Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
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Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 11:14 AM
"FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE *KINGDOM* OF GOD!!"
Hebrews 12:26-28: God says, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a *KINGDOM* that can not be shaken let us be thankful...for our God is a consuming fire!
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up {NIV}. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. {NIV} That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists and the RC church} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"
Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people on from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 08:49 PM
Besides...I'm a women and not allowed to teach right ???...:laugh:...also you are purty much saying that Prophets teachings are in error...so In-Lighten us IWA about the book of Revelations if you would be so kind...XO
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 09:09 PM
Party on DUDE...:party:..:rocknroll:...:dancingp:...So when your ready to share what you know about Revelations...we'll be here...thanx in advance...XO
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 09:11 PM
I have quoted over 50 versus in God's Word which absolutely contradict the Calvinist and Roman Catholic Preterist heresies!!
WHEN WILL GOD'S SAINTS BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE??
We can see that in Rev 22:12 and 2 Corinthians 10:5 that all the saints will be rewarded by Jesus on the same day as His second coming **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**:
Revelation 22:12: Jesus says, "Behold, I am coming soon. My rewards is with Me, and I will give to everyone **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**."
2 Corinthians 5:10: "For we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ, that each one will receive what is due him for the things done in the body, whether good or bad."
God's Word confirms many times that **ONLY JESUS WILL JUDGE** all the lost; the living and the dead; and will reward the saints on the Day He comes **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**. {See John 5:27-30; Jude 14,15, 2 Tim 4:1; Romans 2:16; Acts 10:42 & Acts 17:31 & Rev 22:12:
Acts 10:40,42: �God {The Father} raised Him {Jesus} from the dead... He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that He is the One whom God {The Father} has appointed as Judge of the living and the dead.�
Acts 17:31: For He {The Father} **HAS SET A DAY** when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising Him from the dead.
2 Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done in the body, whether good or bad.�
Rev 22:12: Jesus says, �Behold, I am coming soon. My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**.�
The pre-tribbers claim that this will occur 3 1/2 or 7 years **BEFORE** the Last Day of the Great Tribulation right after a secret silent rapture. However in Matthew 16:27 Jesus prophesied, �The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's **GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**, and **THEN** He will reward each person **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**.� Four other times in God's Word it mentions the Second Coming of Jesus on the **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation in **GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**: Matthew 24:30,31; Mark 13:26,27; Matthew 25:31 & 2 Thess 1:7-10 WILL THE LOST BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION??
2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire **WITH HIS POWERFUL ANGELS**. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�
So God's Word definitely shows that only Jesus will reward His saints and judge the lost on the Last Day when He comes **IN GLORY WITH ALL HIS ANGELS**{Matthew 16:27; 24:29,30; 25:31} or **WHEN HE IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS POWERFUL ANGELS** as per 2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10!!
Just after Moses and Elijah rise to Heaven in Revelation 11:12 the 7th angel will sound the 7th and Last Trumpet in Rev 11:15 and then.... �The time has come for **JUDGING THE DEAD AND REWARDING YOUR SERVANTS** the prophets and those who reverence your Name.� as per Revelation 11:16! {See Matthew 25:31-46}
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 09:18 PM
"I have quoted over 50 versus in God's Word which absolutely contradict the Calvinist and Roman Catholic Preterist heresies!!"
Correction, what you have done is quoted verses that you personally PRESUPPOSE (according to your interpretation) contradict what you PRESUPPOSE (in error) that all "Calvinists" and Preterists teach. There is a very big difference.
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 11 Sep, 2013 09:31 PM
THERE WILL BE 2 COMINGS OF JESUS ON THE SAME LAST DAY!!
��� ��Revelation 1:7:� �Look, He is coming with the *CLOUDS*, and *EVERY EYE* will see Him, even those who pierced Him!� This 2nd Coming of Jesus with the *CLOUDS* is also mentioned in Matt 24:30 and I Thess 4:17 and in Matthew 26:64: Jesus replied, �But I say to all of you:� In the future you {Unsaved Jews at His trial} will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty one and coming on the *CLOUDS* of heaven!���
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There will be 2 Comings of Jesus on the same Last Day.� The First Coming will be *FOR* His saints and His second Coming will be *WITH* His saints on Heavenly White Horses right after they celebrate the Marriage Feast of the Lamb. {Read Rev 19:7-9 & Rev 17:11,14} They will conquer 666 and his 10 armies {See Rev 19:19-21}. This then explains the resurrection of God's saints in Luke 17:30,35: Jesus says, �It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is *REVEALED....two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.� All of the lost who are left behind when Jesus is *REVEALED; will later be judged and then sent to hell on that same Last Day. {See 2 Thess 1:6-10; John 5:28,29; 12:48; Daniel 12:1,2,7b & Matt 25:31-33;41-46} Pre-tribbers wrongly teach that Luke 17:30,35 above and Matt 24:40-41 prove a pre-trib rapture.
������ Jesus {See Rev 1:10,18} said to John in Rev 1:19: �Write what you have seen, WHAT IS NOW {Rev chapters 2 & 3} and *WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE LATER*.� {Rev chapters 6-22}� Events that will occur on the Last Day are recorded in Rev 6:12-17; Rev 11:15-19; Rev 14:14-20; Rev 16:17-21; Rev 19:1-21 & Rev 20:9b-15.� Question: How many words in Revelation, chapters 6-22 are devoted to a rapture before the beginning of the Great Tribulation??� Answer: *ZERO*!! In Rev 4:1 Jesus invited John to come up to Heaven in AD 96 so that he could write what he saw.� Rev 4:1b: Jesus said to John in AD 96, �Come up here, and I will show you *WHAT MUST TAKE PLACE.�� Unfortunately, there are some pre-tribbers who teach that Rev 4:1 actually proves a *CONCEALED* rapture of the church saints before the beginning of the Great Tribulation; which shows a *NEW LOW in honest Bible exegesis. How many words in the Olivet discourse are devoted to a rapture before the Great Tribulation?� Answer: *ZERO*!! The Olivet discourse by Jesus about the End-Times are recorded in Matt 24 & 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21.� Events which will occur on the Last Day of the Tribulation including the 2nd Coming are recorded in Matt 24:29-31; Matt 25:31-46; Mark 13:24-27 & Luke 21:25-28.
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Rev 22:16,18,19: Jesus says, �I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give *YOU* {The Greek for YOU is plural} this testimony {ALL OF REVELATION} *FOR* the CHURCHES.� This contradicts the ridiculous pre-trib idea that Revelation, chapters 4-19, was not written *FOR* the CHURCHES! The word �CHURCH�is also not mentioned in 9 books of the NT: John, Mark, Luke, 2 Tim, 1 John, 2 John, 1 Peter, 2 Peter and Jude; and is not mentioned in the first 15 chapters of Romans and yet every word in all these NT books are �FOR THE CHURCHES�.....
�I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book.� If anyone *ADDS anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.� And if anyone *TAKES WORDS AWAY from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city which are described in this book.�
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 12 Sep, 2013 09:14 AM
" I have yet to hear even one sermon on the Book of Revelation from any Calvinist preacher"
Here are three more for you............ Dennis E. Johnson
William Hendricksen, Simon Kistemaker. Please let me know when you are done refuting these three as well and I shall provide three more for you.
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 12 Sep, 2013 12:21 PM
The Roman Catholic and Calvinist Preterists believe that everything in the Jesus Olivet sermon as recorded in Matthew 24 & 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21 and everything in Revelation already has taken place in AD 70???? which includes the following passages in God's inerrant inspired words in Revelation 21 and Matthew 25 quoted below.
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!" {Did this take place in AD 70???}
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus says, "**WHEN** the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him {See Matthew 24:29-31}, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people on from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"
Then He will say to those on His left, "Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels...**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"
Revelation 21:1-5: I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God..... And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them.... I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!"
Posted : 15 Sep, 2013 08:15 AM
It's not just in revelation, Peter talks about it, Jesus talks about it, etc. Jesus went to prepare a place for us, many times Jesus and the apostles speak of the last day, the judgment of the wicked, of heaven and the new earth. Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world, God will recreate this world and make it new. I feel a bit sorry for people who think this world is what God wants for us. This world is destroyed and broken, it's waxing old like a garment, it has virtually no resemblance to the world that God made for Adam and Eve.
