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Admin	Very interesting!! Posted : 17 Sep, 2013 07:11 PM Please have a good look at the following thread. I was not on CDFF during this time. This is exactly what I continue to speak about here. You will notice that a young lady asks a question. The first response is a wall of scripture and then comes the "majority crowd" offering up their opinions. Again, I was not here at all during this time. Read the comments from LTM, Jude, TruthCarrier and so on. Notice the lack of Scripture. Then, at the start of page two the wall of Scripture is presented again. Please read the comments that follow. Same thing, different day here at CDFF. That is what an angry mob looks like. I am recording this day against that mob. It makes no difference whether I am here in the mix or not. Those who continue to assert that I bring the trouble are liars. http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/cdff/CDFF_generic/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=17523&forum_sub_cat_id=14&page=1 Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 09:35 AM LTM, I would recommend that you give IWA no such satisfaction in ceasing to engage him, it's exactly what he wants you do to. Censorship by frustration. Just continue to gently oppose him. :peace::peace: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 09:51 AM Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an incorrect or deviant decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative ideas or viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences. Loyalty to the group requires individuals to avoid raising controversial issues or alternative solutions, and there is loss of individual creativity, uniqueness and independent thinking. The dysfunctional group dynamics of the "ingroup" produces an "illusion of invulnerability" (an inflated certainty that the right decision has been made). Thus the "ingroup" significantly overrates their own abilities in decision-making, and significantly underrates the abilities of their opponents (the "outgroup"). Wikipedia Groupthink? Oh, you mean like this? Titus 3 9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; 11Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself. 2 Timothy 2 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth Galatians 6 1Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 3For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. Romans 14 1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. Phillipians 2 14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings. 15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; John 17 20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Matthew 10 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. It sure sounds like God wants us to be of the same mind, and avoid disputing doubtful things. Groupthink in Christ is an effective tool for spreading the gospel. I consider it a compliment, but apparently wikipedia has more authority:laugh:. :peace::peace: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 09:54 AM From Biblepedia: Acts 2 44And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. :peace::peace: Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 11:41 AM "Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an incorrect or deviant decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative ideas or viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences. Loyalty to the group requires individuals to avoid raising controversial issues or alternative solutions, and there is loss of individual creativity, uniqueness and independent thinking. The dysfunctional group dynamics of the "ingroup" produces an "illusion of invulnerability" (an inflated certainty that the right decision has been made). Thus the "ingroup" significantly overrates their own abilities in decision-making, and significantly underrates the abilities of their opponents (the "outgroup"). Wikipedia" You nailed it IWA, pure humanism, that is all these people want. They do not need a savior, they just need to cherry pick what scripture that will fit their false belief. Post Reply
View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 11:48 AM I have dumbed down my posts as much as humanly possible while still being able to communicate my ideas without losing their full import. Yet, they still don't understand the message. Groupthink applies to "ingroups" like the Pharisees, Sadducees, Chief Priests, etc. One can do a little Biblical research to see how these groups treated the "outgroups" - Christ, the disciples, his followers, etc. Post Reply
View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 12:21 PM (Acts 18:12 [KJB:PCE]) And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat. Post Reply
View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 12:29 PM "results in an incorrect or deviant decision-making outcome. " This is the outcome of a DYSFUNCTIONAL group. You see Mark, in the same way that you twist the scriptures, you also twist definitions given by Wikipedia so that they are turned 180 degrees around. If you truly want to suggest that Christians (believers) are the ones that are reaching the "incorrect or deviant decision making outcome" (as you have done above) then I feel sorry for you. (Matt 12:2 [KJB:PCE]) But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. (Matt 12:14 [KJB:PCE]) Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. (Matt 12:24 [KJB:PCE]) But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. You see how the "groupthink" is properly understood and applied now? Follow the definition given Mark. Do not pervert it to your own ends. Post Reply
View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 12:34 PM Here is another example, where "groupthink" results in an incorrect or deviant decision-making outcome. This is always the logical outcome of an errant mob suffering from dysfunctional "groupthink" Mark 15 11But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them. 12 And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews? 13 And they cried out again, Crucify him. 14 Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him. Post Reply
View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 12:38 PM Now, in a setting like this, "groupthink" will result in the same type of dysfunctional behaviors as the "ingroup" will band together to try to intimidate, harass, pressure, etc. the "outgroup" to keep quiet. The logical outworking is that when the "ingroup" is not successful using the aforementioned "bully tactics" they will ultimately complain to the powers that be and seek to have members of the "outgroup" banned. Follow the Biblical example that I have just given above. Post Reply
View Profile History	Very interesting!! Posted : 18 Sep, 2013 12:42 PM (Acts 25:7 [KJB:PCE]) And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove. Another example. Post Reply

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