Author	Thread: The 'Spock' Gospel
Admin	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 19 Dec, 2012 06:11 AM Why do people think for something to be true it has to be logical? I think the 5 point Calvinist is the worst offender and a good example of what I'm speaking of. We are all individuals and God treats us accordingly. We are creations of God who can do what he pleases with what he created; answering to no one and judged by no one. The Gospel is not about logic it is about relationship and relationships vary from person to person; God is unchanging however we are not, nor are we all the same. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 01:16 PM He gave the opportunity to all who believe, and all who receive his son, all who look and live. Whether or not God chose and regenerated them in the first place is irrelevant. Even many people who believe in predestination like you do, and even John Calvin himself did not believe in limited atonement. My friend that I talk to about this kind of stuff, that believes like you on everything else, even he believes that Jesus died for all men and all sin. He just believes that it's only applied to the ones that God chose/regenerated to believe, and only offered to everyone else to leave them without an excuse to hold against God. He believes they wouldn't come to God anyway, but God made it available, so they can't say "He didn't even give me a chance". He also believes in the "I will show mercy on who I will show mercy" thing, and it still fits very nicely in his belief system. I don't agree with him on everything, but I do agree with him in the belief that limited atonement is unnecessary and un-biblical. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 01:59 PM Yea He died to save all the believers. That's the reformed view. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 03:43 PM Circular reasoning requires that no evidence comes from outside the circle. The 5 points come from scripture therefor it cannot be circular reasoning. The most important thing which I do not see stated is that the 5 points is NOT the Gospel. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 04:44 PM Zaohagios:"Circular reasoning requires that no evidence comes from outside the circle. The 5 points come from scripture therefor it cannot be circular reasoning" ------------------ Close but no prize: The five points come from a "interpretation" of Scripture. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 04:55 PM Graceundeserved: "Let me show you how the same logic is applied to your belief system. In my system, God chooses some. Therefore He did not give opportunity for all. In your system God allows everyone to be saved. Therefore He can not have just given some the opportunity to some. The same logic....applied to your system. Is your system closed too?" ---------------------------- Does Calvinism teach what others automatically believe if they don't believe as you? Your assessments concerning my beliefs are incorrect. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 05:03 PM Djlrn04: "Yes you did imply that sparrow." --------------- No, I did not. The problem is Calvinism has not only taught you how to believe but also what everybody believes. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 05:06 PM You are dodging the issue. Go ahead and tell me what you believe then so I can apply the same logic and show you that my point still stands. I don't come here to play hide and seek. I apologize if I misstated your view. However you have misstated quite a few things in here. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 05:07 PM "The five points come from a "interpretation" of Scripture." Stop playing word games in an attempt to appear smart. If it's a correct interpretation from scripture than it's not circular reasoning. If it's a false interpretation from scripture like yours is, it's still not circular reasoning. Adding "interpretation" does not do what you seem to think it does. Post Reply
View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 05:09 PM Dljrn04: "What is your belief on man and sin?" ___________ Due to sin passed down from Adam mankind has no hope for eternal life outside the actions of God. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	The 'Spock' Gospel Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 06:11 PM Dljrn04: "What is your belief on man and sin?" ___________ Due to sin passed down from Adam mankind has no hope for eternal life outside the actions of God. Glad to hear you also are a Calvinist sparrow. So why did you cause such division amongst us ????? Post Reply

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