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We are all waiting for the New Heavens the New Earth and the Eternal New Jerusalem!
Posted : 14 Aug, 2013 07:14 AM
WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW HEAVENS, THE NEW EARTH AND THE ETERNAL NEW JERUSALEM!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jersalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He was was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true!"
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up {NIV}. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. {NIV} That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding Ludlow the Preterists and the RC church} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people :Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The NEW JERUSALEM} for them!!
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angelto give you this testimony for the churches.....I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternel hell}. And if anyone takes *WORDS AWAY* {Like the RC church} from this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {Thew New Jerusalem}, which are described in this Book.!!"
The New Jerusaem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia {which is about 1377 miles} long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the Greek stadiums. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is about 1377 miles.
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the JERUSALEM THAT IS ABOVE is free, and She is our mother!
We are all waiting for the New Heavens the New Earth and the Eternal New Jerusalem!
Posted : 19 Aug, 2013 04:52 AM
:laugh:...Ok....I can see since your answers are a straight forward NO with no other input that the discussion is over betwixt us....very well then....I bid you a Blessed day...:waving:...xo
We are all waiting for the New Heavens the New Earth and the Eternal New Jerusalem!
Posted : 19 Aug, 2013 06:30 AM
<< 2 Peter 3 >>
King James Bible
Christ's Coming Judgment
(Genesis 3:1-7; Genesis 7:1-5; Romans 5:12-21)
1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
The Day of the Lord
(Zephaniah 1:7-18; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11)
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
IWA, are you saying that heaven does not exist, or that God will not judge and destroy the planet, or that the new Jerusalem, the place that Jesus went to prepare for us, is not coming down from heaven with all the saints inside?
Isiah 51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
God is not only saving us from sin, but He's coming to fix the earth back to it's pre-flood state.
We are all waiting for the New Heavens the New Earth and the Eternal New Jerusalem!
Posted : 19 Aug, 2013 10:36 AM
The phrase "World without end" is not in God's Word.
Matthew 4:8-10 The devil took Jesus to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you." he said "if you fall down and worship me."
I John 5:19: We know that we are the children of God, an that the whole world is under the control of the evil one."
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My Kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD. If it were My servants would fight."
Hebrews 11:13- "All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised, they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of they country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a better country *A HEAVENLY ONE*. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a City for them. {The New Jerusalem with its New Heaven and New Earth!}
The Satanic Roman Catholic Preterists believe that everything in Matthew 24 and 25 and in Revelation already took place in AD 70 which is of course completely ridiculous. The Roman Catholic Preterists believe that the Satanic Popes will usher in Peace on the earth and the Roman Catholics will then rule the world in the present evil earth which will last for ever and ever???
And as usual the sacred Word of God completely contradicts this Satanic belief:
2 Peter 3:3,4,8-13: In the Last Days scoffers will come...They will say, :Where is this coming He {Jesus} promised?"....But do not forget this one thing dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a 1,000 years, and a 1,000 years are like a day!!!!!!! The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise. as some {Preterists} understand slowness....But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.....That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise we {All true Christians} are looking forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth, the home of righteousness."
Isaiah 51:6: God says, "Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath, the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But My salvation will last forever, My righteousness will never fail!!"
Hebrews 12:23,26-29: But you have come to Mount Zion, the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, the City of the living GOD!!....He has promised, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens." the words "once more" indicate the removing of what cannot be shaken--that is, created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a Kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our "God is a consuming fire!!"
Revelation 21:1-4: Then I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the Throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making EVERYTHING NEW!!"
We are all waiting for the New Heavens the New Earth and the Eternal New Jerusalem!
Posted : 19 Aug, 2013 12:01 PM
The phrase "World without end" is not in God's Word.
Matthew 4:8-10 The devil took Jesus to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you." he said "if you fall down and worship me."
I John 5:19: We know that we are the children of God, an that the whole world is under the control of the evil one."
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My Kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD. If it were My servants would fight."
Hebrews 11:13- "All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised, they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of they country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a better country *A HEAVENLY ONE*. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a City for them. {The New Jerusalem with its New Heaven and New Earth!}
The Satanic Roman Catholic Preterists believe that everything in Matthew 24 and 25 and in Revelation already took place in AD 70 which is of course completely ridiculous. The Roman Catholic Preterists believe that the Satanic Popes will usher in Peace on the earth and the Roman Catholics will then rule the world in the present evil earth which will last for ever and ever???
And as usual the sacred Word of God completely contradicts this Satanic belief:
2 Peter 3:3,4,8-13: In the Last Days scoffers will come...They will say, :Where is this coming He {Jesus} promised?"....But do not forget this one thing dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a 1,000 years, and a 1,000 years are like a day!!!!!!! The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise. as some {Preterists} understand slowness....But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.....That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise we {All true Christians} are looking forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth, the home of righteousness."
Isaiah 51:6: God says, "Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath, the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But My salvation will last forever, My righteousness will never fail!!"
Hebrews 12:23,26-29: But you have come to Mount Zion, the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, the City of the living GOD!!....He has promised, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens." the words "once more" indicate the removing of what cannot be shaken--that is, created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a Kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our "God is a consuming fire!!"
Revelation 21:1-4: Then I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the Throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making EVERYTHING NEW!!"
We are all waiting for the New Heavens the New Earth and the Eternal New Jerusalem!
Posted : 19 Aug, 2013 12:03 PM
WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up {NIV}. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. {NIV} That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists and the RC church} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches.....I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternel hell}. And if anyone takes *WORDS AWAY* {Like the Preterists and the RC church} from this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The **NEW JERUSALEM**}, which are described in this Book.!!"
The New Jerusaem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia {which is about 1377 miles} long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the ancient Greek stadium. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet. A mile is exactly 5,280 feet. {1377 times 5,280 feet equal 7,270,560 feet.} And so the New Jerusalem will be exactly 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high!!
Revelation 21:9-12,15-16,19,23,27; Revelation 22:1-6: The angel said to John, �Come, I will show you the Bride the Wife of the Lamb.� And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from from God It shone like the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel. It had a great high wall {1377 miles HIGH!} with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates.
The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City and its walls. The City was laid out as a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and Heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel clear as crystal. It had a great high wall {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet high} with 12 gates and with 12 angels at the gates...... The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City, its gates and its walls. The City was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia {606 feet} in length, and as wide and high as it is long. {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high} The wall was made of Jasper, and the City of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone....... The great street of the City was of pure gold, like transparent glass...... Only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be able to enter the New Jerusalem!
Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. The angel said to me, �These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!�
Revelation 3:12: Jesus says, "Him who overcomes I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God.!!"
