I'd like to know with from historical facts with some sort of proof about Christ Jesus' geneaology.
I read alot about it already but I just need some sort of facts.. like historical documents or some unearthed evidence to prove Matthew and Luke's genealogy trace.
I need to know about Jeconiah and Tamar, Neri, Zarubabbel (Zorobabel), Rhesa, Heli, and a whole bunch of people. Basically I've read a lot about it already. I just need actual evidences to back up.
Jojo said:I'd like to know with from historical facts with some sort of proof about Christ Jesus' geneaology. I read alot about it already but I just need some sort of facts.. like historical documents or some unearthed evidence to prove Matthew and Luke's genealogy trace. I need to know about Jeconiah and Tamar, Neri, Zarubabbel (Zorobabel), Rhesa, Heli, and a whole bunch of people. Basically I've read a lot about it already. I just need actual evidences to back up.
Ella says: JoJo, you state you are seeking "some sort of facts, historical document or some unearth evidence to prove Matthew and Luke's genealogoy trace." Well, what kind of fatcs or documents are you seeking? This doesn't make sense to me... you either believe what Matthew and Luke have said about Jesus or you don't. Surely, you're not seeking Jesus' birth certificate...
What else is there to go on except what is written? What actual evidence do you need to back up what has been written? Sound like you are expressing unbelief that Jesus was born and that He is who He says He is...
The only things I would suggest is that maybe you can check with the Vital Records in Jerusalem maybe they can dig up His birth records.
I mean, what you pose doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me... therefore I must ask, if you don't believe what Matthew and Luke have records. If you search online, for "evidence" or "facts" as you say, all you will find is what others have written from what they have gathered from Matthew and Luke, and books in the Old Testament... so what's your point of purpose and intent? What is it you're trying to prove?...
Nevertheless, if you read the book of I Chronicles in the Old Testament chapter 1, chapter 2, and chapter 3, maybe you will find what it is you are seeking. Otherwise, what is already written in Matthew and Luke is all that God would have us to know about who Jesus is and His genealogy.
Perhaps one ought to look deeper into the matter before making judgment about someone's full and sincere faith on a controversial subject. I'd like to invite you to read the book and see if you can, WITHOUT GUESSING, to explain exactly what is recorded in the Bible.
10 Solomon�s son was Rehoboam,
Abijah his son,
Asa his son,
Jehoshaphat his son,
11 Jehoram[d] his son,
Ahaziah his son,
Joash his son,
12 Amaziah his son,
Azariah his son,
Jotham his son,
13 Ahaz his son,
Hezekiah his son,
Manasseh his son,
14 Amon his son,
Josiah his son.
15 The sons of Josiah:
Johanan the firstborn,
Jehoiakim the second son,
Zedekiah the third,
Shallum the fourth.
16 The successors of Jehoiakim:
Jehoiachin[e] his son,
and Zedekiah.
17 The descendants of Jehoiachin the captive:
Shealtiel his son, 18 Malkiram, Pedaiah, Shenazzar, Jekamiah, Hoshama and Nedabiah.
19 The sons of Pedaiah:
Zerubbabel and Shimei.
The sons of Zerubbabel:
Meshullam and Hananiah.
Shelomith was their sister.
20 There were also five others:
Hashubah, Ohel, Berekiah, Hasadiah and Jushab-Hesed.
23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josek, the son of Joda,
27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon,[d] the son of Nahshon,
33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[e]
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
Luke 3:10-37
1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah[b] the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4 Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6 and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah�s wife,
7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12 After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,
Abihud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14 Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Elihud,
15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.
Matt 1:1-17
27 After the king burned the scroll containing the words that Baruch had written at Jeremiah�s dictation, the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 28 �Take another scroll and write on it all the words that were on the first scroll, which Jehoiakim king of Judah burned up. 29 Also tell Jehoiakim king of Judah, �This is what the LORD says: You burned that scroll and said, �Why did you write on it that the king of Babylon would certainly come and destroy this land and wipe from it both man and beast?� 30 Therefore this is what the LORD says about Jehoiakim king of Judah: He will have no one to sit on the throne of David; his body will be thrown out and exposed to the heat by day and the frost by night. 31 I will punish him and his children and his attendants for their wickedness; I will bring on them and those living in Jerusalem and the people of Judah every disaster I pronounced against them, because they have not listened.��
32 So Jeremiah took another scroll and gave it to the scribe Baruch son of Neriah, and as Jeremiah dictated, Baruch wrote on it all the words of the scroll that Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire. And many similar words were added to them.
Jer 36:27-32
"'On that day,' declares the LORD Almighty, 'I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,' declares the LORD, 'and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,' declares the LORD Almighty." Hag 2:23
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Rev. 19:16
By comparing these verses, Ella, you can see there are many issues that one would question. How does one defend the truth without evidences to prove the reason of these issues?
