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elishabroadway View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 28 Dec, 2011 09:41 PM all this argueing has got me a little twitterpated, bumfuzzeled and discombobulated (love to use all 3 of those words and right now they are true) but its getting better since I am starting to understand this little thing OK YALL READY?? HERE IT GOES!! WAIT FOR IT GOD IS NOT BOUND BY TIME!! WOAH think of the possibiities. it is really too too much for our little itty bitty brains to grasp, this clears it all up, Gods omnpitence, soverginty and ability to not be effected bytime clears it all up, I explained it God knows what we will or wont do so if we have faith and then walk away from our faith and we nereturn to it before we die GOD knew that the end and the begining are the same to him so we never really had it also if he have it walk away then go back and continue in faith till the end then we never really lost it, right? also God knew which one of us would make it before e made the list right? so for knew ordained from th foundations ALLLLL THAT STUFF once you accept that GOD is not bound by time then it all starts making sence , RIGHT? then we start to alize we dont disagree as much as we think we do,, some things really have become clear to me the last couple days and the more I wrp my mind around this little tid bit the less confusing it all is Post Reply
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elishabroadway View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 06:08 AM PJ God is not bound by time, why would you think he is, what makes you think so? Post Reply
View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 06:22 AM It is not as though he is bound by time but the ignorance is he is the first example of: Ga 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Why is it that all men's names are written in the book of life. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 06:32 AM I dont think they all are written in the book of life ther are scriptures in revelation that suggest that some men never have their name written down cause it says that the men whos names are not wrighten in the book were cast into death and hell! Se genesis 1:1 says in the begining God! So one must ask the begining of what? The answer to that question I believe is the begining of time! Therefor God was ther before time was he created time there was not time like there is now just like ther wont be any time later! I think he is able to move through time like we move through space it does not bind him like it does us! God was here before time began he made time! We decided how to measure time but God made the boundries that we are bound by Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 06:38 AM all I am saying PJ when you grasp that fact or when I began to grasp it, a lot of other things made sence and I think thats what the predestination folks need to grab a hold to cause of coarse we are pre destined God knows the end not only does he know it he existis in it he exists in the beginings and in the end there are no boundries so of corse we were pre destined as God already knows what will happen in fact as far as God is concerned looking at it from his prespective it already has happend he is in all times and all places all at once ! Very hard to understand but just becasue we are too small to completly wrap our heads around it doesnt make it any less true Post Reply
View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 07:14 AM God is ALSO not bound by the will of man. I agree that God is not bound by any part of His creation, and that includes time. But that does NOT suddenly mean that all the verses that say that Salvation is Gods CHOICE all disappear. �It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.� (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, �This is why I told you that no one can come to me [i.e. believe in me] unless it is granted him by the Father." Psa 65:4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Rom 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Rom 9:10-24 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 10:28 AM 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. *** Before anything (was)...GOD (IS)...:yay:...AMAZING !!!...GOD gave us the Seasons for Time in this 3D Pysical Realm...And HE is Timeless and Eternal...it takes Much "TIME" to Go~Figer all that is within HIS / our Time... :laugh:...xo Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 01:52 PM OK James I completly agree! All I have ever said it there are people who God calls and they deny him never heeding the call! Thats all I know he chose me I know he called me I know he saved me the only thing I had to do with it was what I didnt do and thats deny him..ignore him act lihe he didnt call me! I repented of my sins yes I did that too however had the Holy Spirit not convicted me of them I would not have been able to repent everything I have ever done that was right and good was because God enabled me to! My only point is this the fact that God is not bound by time explains the scriptures about for knowing or predestination as God knew it when it happend he is well aware of the choices we will make but he did not force us to make them! A sovergin God has the option of allowing his creation to reject him if thats what they want to do! He is not bound to makeing choices for us! He is able to do it anyway he wishes and I know he did not force me becasue I am living in my own skin I was living there when I was lost and I was living there the day I got saved I am living there now! And therfor I am sure I could have ignored him I never had to get up and go to church I could have rolled over and went back to sleep! I still believe every man has the chance and the option however the ones that were not on the list will never repent and get saved thats just hte way it is Things just are what they are and thats all they are and God knows what they are! He doesnt force us! there are examples throughout the bible of people who deny Him well you cant deny him if he doesnt aproach you! God would never turn anyone away but again this is a sencless converstation becasue if a man will truly repent and continue in the faith then God already knew that and he will be on the list! I am not sure of everything but I do know that the more I grasp that God is not bound by time the better I understand and the more i see how we dont disagree as much as everyonme thinks we do! Why cant you al;l see that we are not so different when it comes to this subject! I know we dont save our selfs I dont know why some have to be so derogatory about that subject, its sometimes seems mean the way it is said! I am aware I am absolutly nothing without Christ Jesus! I think though saying that the fact that he is soverign makes it impossible for someone to reject him is small minded if God is soverign then hew certainly can give his creation a choice! It is his choice to give us the choice! He wants us to love him willingly! what joy could it bring Him if he forces us to love and worship him? He chose us yes and called us yes, but we had the responsibilty to accept the call and not reject it, ignore it or roll over and go back to sleep ! Post Reply
Devotedlove47^ View Profile History	here is the answer to all the questions and debates however I know that nobody will accept it Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 05:22 PM IT'S ALL ABOUT PERCEPTION The problems we have in understanding the things of God, lie clearly in our willingness to commit wholeheartedly to the words of God, which he ordain for our learning and understanding. We say we believe in Him with our mouths, but in our hearts, we habor reservations, the moment we run into some of the deep and secret things of God, which are far above our threshold of understanding at the time. Instead of humbling ourselves to this fact, we then act out our ignorance of not knowing, through proud debates of cynicism against the unknown truths of God. We become skeptics and critics of the Word, while at the same time, professing to be wise to the ways of God. Thus, we become like the Pharisees, having the form of Godliness, but denying his sovereign power and authority. Satan knows this, and uses those reservations against us, to snatch away the Word from our hearts, with hopes of voiding our citizenship in the Kingdom of God, which God before the foundation of the world, predetermined that we would have the opportunity to inherit. This is what Jesus was attempting to convey when he stated that a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Resentments, disagreements, controversies, and problems with the will and way of God, manifest themselves in the form of evil speaking, false systems of perception, doctrinal error, and disbelief. No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light. The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light. Luke 11:33-36 SELAH Post Reply