Is Biblical Discernment Ministries too fundie, nitpicky, legalistic?
Posted : 13 Oct, 2012 07:37 PM
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/
They don't approve of Christmas, psychology, Christian rock music and martial arts among other things. Tongues and healing miracles are no longer possible according to them, only during the early chuch.. Certain people on their expose list don't seem to deserve to be there. There are also links to reviews on movies and books, mainly negative even towards certain Christian books/movies. The Life Application Study Bible gets attacked for certain notes on some verses that claim self-love and for who endorses it.
I am curious about your opinions on this site, after you skim the site for a bit, reading their explaniations on different things. Something tells me they are worrying too much. They do have an artilce named "Are we too negative?"
Is Biblical Discernment Ministries too fundie, nitpicky, legalistic?
Posted : 14 Oct, 2012 02:17 AM
Whether they're too legalistic doesn't bother or disturb me, the fact that they are saying miracles no longer take place because Jesus isn't on the earth anymore is what disturbs me because there's nothing I know of in scripture to support that.
There are worse things than nitpicky, way worse things.
Is Biblical Discernment Ministries too fundie, nitpicky, legalistic?
Posted : 14 Oct, 2012 09:58 AM
Here are some scriptures that you might find helpful whenever you come across something that you question. I am sure this is not an all inclusive list but these were the ones that came to my mind.
1Thess 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
John 16
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you
1 John 2:25
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Heb. 5
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil
Romans 14
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Is Biblical Discernment Ministries too fundie, nitpicky, legalistic?
Posted : 14 Oct, 2012 07:18 PM
"healing miracles are no longer possible according to them, only during the early church"
Ummm...then how do they explain supernatural power going throughout my body during a prayer a few years ago and instantly healing/removing the sadness, stress, and depression? Anyone who claims such things is attacking the faith of God's children by making faith destructive statements. By the way, I've got sad news for 'em too:
Mark 9:42
But if someone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to lose faith---it would be better for that man if a huge millstone were tied around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. (The Living Bible)
You know, that's a really serious statement! The best thing that the faithless, unbelieving people can do for themselves (and for others) is to keep their doubtful thoughts to themselves. If you don't have enough faith to believe for the miracle that someone else believes will happen, then do yourself a really big favor by keeping your unbelief to yourself. If you say or do something that causes one of God's children to lose his/her faith, you'll be held responsible for anything that results! Notice that Jesus says nothing about punishing the person who has their faith crashed. Fact is, he will find and rescue His lost sheep, but He won't let the culprit go unpunished.
Is Biblical Discernment Ministries too fundie, nitpicky, legalistic?
Posted : 14 Oct, 2012 07:33 PM
"The best thing that the faithless, unbelieving people can do for themselves (and for others) is to keep their doubtful thoughts to themselves. If you don't have enough faith to believe for the miracle that someone else believes will happen, then do yourself a really big favor by keeping your unbelief to yourself. If you say or do something that causes one of God's children to lose his/her faith, you'll be held responsible for anything that results! "
I am guessing that this applies to everyone else but you.
Is Biblical Discernment Ministries too fundie, nitpicky, legalistic?
Posted : 15 Oct, 2012 10:34 PM
TruthBeKnown,
The same does apply to me, but the negative statements that I've made recently are a direct result of the actions of others who took part in crashing my faith. God would be sinning if He held me directly responsible for things that they (by their words/actions) caused to happen. It's called the "domino effect"...and they will give account of the fullness of what they caused to happen, whether it was direct or indirect.
For example: If a person with evil motives programs their computer with bad information that causes it to spread a virus to another person's computer that doesn't currently have enough anti-virus software (which then results in a chain reaction), then who should be held responsible for all of the damages?
I rest my case!
The person who starts the problem is guilty of the full result. That's why people should keep their thoughts of unbelief to themselves. Once they start the domino effect by crashing another person's faith (such as mine), they'll be held responsible for whatever damage it causes. It only takes a tiny spark of doubt to cause an enormous spiritual fire that has the potential to destroy everything in its path. Sadly, many people who claim to be followers of Christ don't seem to take God seriously enough...otherwise they wouldn't make doubtful statements that cause other people (like me) to stumble in their faith walk.
Is Biblical Discernment Ministries too fundie, nitpicky, legalistic?
Posted : 15 Oct, 2012 11:37 PM
Notice the "domino effect" in action here in these verses. Pay careful attention to the fact that God does hold every party directly responsible for things that they (by their words/actions) caused to happen.
"The person who starts the problem is guilty of the full result. "
It seems according to the Bible that is NOT true. Every person is responsible for their own actions. Those who lead others astray will also be accountable for that.
Gen.3
9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Is Biblical Discernment Ministries too fundie, nitpicky, legalistic?
Posted : 15 Oct, 2012 11:51 PM
Here is your anti-virus software (faith). If it is not loaded onto your hard drive (mind) and turned on (living faith), who is to blame for that? If your own faith had been in place, it would have blocked any virus (doubtful statements) coming from the outside from being able to corrupt your hard drive and then spreading to others. Yes or no?
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
