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Posted : 28 Oct, 2012 12:32 PM

Does this remind you of the Christian churches today?



Isaiah 3

King James Version



For, behold, the Lord, the Lord of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water.



2 The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,



3 The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.



4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.



5 And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.



6 When a man shall take hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruin be under thy hand:



7 In that day shall he swear, saying, I will not be an healer; for in my house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the people.



8 For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord, to provoke the eyes of his glory.



9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.



10 Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.



11 Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.



12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.



13 The Lord standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.



14 The Lord will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.



15 What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord God of hosts.



16 Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:



17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover their secret parts.



18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,



19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,



20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,



21 The rings, and nose jewels,



22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,



23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.



24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.



25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war.



26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

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Posted : 28 Oct, 2012 09:25 PM

Yes...



Jeremiah 2



Judah�s Apostasy



1 Now the word of the Lord came to me saying, 2 �Go and proclaim in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, �Thus says the Lord,



�I remember concerning you the [a]devotion of your youth,

The love of your betrothals,

Your following after Me in the wilderness,

Through a land not sown.

3 �Israel was holy to the Lord,

The first of His harvest.

All who ate of it became guilty;

Evil came upon them,� declares the Lord.��



4 Hear the word of the Lord, O house of Jacob, and all the families of the house of Israel. 5 Thus says the Lord,



�What injustice did your fathers find in Me,

That they went far from Me

And walked after emptiness and became empty?

6 �They did not say, �Where is the Lord

Who brought us up out of the land of Egypt,

Who led us through the wilderness,

Through a land of deserts and of pits,

Through a land of drought and of [b]deep darkness,

Through a land that no one crossed

And where no man dwelt?�

7 �I brought you into the fruitful land

To eat its fruit and its good things.

But you came and defiled My land,

And My inheritance you made an abomination.

8 �The priests did not say, �Where is the Lord?�

And those who handle the law did not know Me;

The [c]rulers also transgressed against Me,

And the prophets prophesied by Baal

And walked after things that did not profit.



9 �Therefore I will yet contend with you,� declares the Lord,

�And with your sons� sons I will contend.

10 �For cross to the coastlands of [d]Kittim and see,

And send to Kedar and observe closely

And see if there has been such a thing as this!

11 �Has a nation changed gods

When they were not gods?

But My people have changed their glory

For that which does not profit.

12 �Be appalled, O heavens, at this,

And shudder, be very desolate,� declares the Lord.

13 �For My people have committed two evils:

They have forsaken Me,

The fountain of living waters,

To hew for themselves cisterns,

Broken cisterns

That can hold no water.



14 �Is Israel a slave? Or is he a homeborn servant?

Why has he become a prey?

15 �The young lions have roared at him,

They have [e]roared loudly.

And they have made his land a waste;

His cities have been destroyed, without inhabitant.

16 �Also the [f]men of Memphis and Tahpanhes

Have [g]shaved the crown of your head.

17 �Have you not done this to yourself

By your forsaking the Lord your God

When He led you in the way?

18 �But now what are you doing on the road to Egypt,

To drink the waters of the [h]Nile?

Or what are you doing on the road to Assyria,

To drink the waters of the [i]Euphrates?

19 �Your own wickedness will correct you,

And your apostasies will reprove you;

Know therefore and see that it is evil and bitter

For you to forsake the Lord your God,

And the dread of Me is not in you,� declares the Lord [j]God of hosts.



20 �For long ago [k]I broke your yoke

And tore off your bonds;

But you said, �I will not serve!�

For on every high hill

And under every green tree

You have lain down as a harlot.

21 �Yet I planted you a choice vine,

A completely faithful seed.

How then have you turned yourself before Me

Into the degenerate shoots of a foreign vine?

22 �Although you wash yourself with lye

And [l]use much soap,

The stain of your iniquity is before Me,� declares the Lord [m]God.

23 �How can you say, �I am not defiled,

I have not gone after the Baals�?

Look at your way in the valley!

Know what you have done!

You are a swift young camel entangling her ways,

24 A wild donkey accustomed to the wilderness,

That sniffs the wind in her passion.

In the time of her [n]heat who can turn her away?

All who seek her will not become weary;

In her month they will find her.

25 �Keep your feet from being unshod

And your throat from thirst;

But you said, �It is [o]hopeless!

No! For I have loved strangers,

And after them I will walk.�



26 �As the thief is shamed when he is discovered,

So the house of Israel is shamed;

They, their kings, their princes

And their priests and their prophets,

27 Who say to a tree, �You are my father,�

And to a stone, �You gave me birth.�

For they have turned their back to Me,

And not their face;

But in the time of their [p]trouble they will say,

�Arise and save us.�

28 �But where are your gods

Which you made for yourself?

Let them arise, if they can save you

In the time of your [q]trouble;

For according to the number of your cities

Are your gods, O Judah.



29 �Why do you contend with Me?

You have all transgressed against Me,� declares the Lord.

30 �In vain I have struck your sons;

They accepted no chastening.

Your sword has devoured your prophets

Like a destroying lion.

31 �O generation, heed the word of the Lord.

Have I been a wilderness to Israel,

Or a land of thick darkness?

Why do My people say, �We are free to roam;

We will no longer come to You�?

32 �Can a virgin forget her ornaments,

Or a bride her attire?

Yet My people have forgotten Me

Days without number.

33 �How well you prepare your way

To seek love!

Therefore even [r]the wicked women

You have taught your ways.

34 �Also on your skirts is found

The lifeblood of the innocent poor;

You did not find them breaking in.

But in spite of all these things,

35 Yet you said, �I am innocent;

Surely His anger is turned away from me.�

Behold, I will enter into judgment with you

Because you say, �I have not sinned.�

36 �Why do you go around so much

Changing your way?

Also, you will be put to shame by Egypt

As you were put to shame by Assyria.

37 �From this place also you will go out

With your hands on your head;

For the Lord has rejected those in whom you trust,

And you will not prosper with them.�



Footnotes:



Jeremiah 2:2 Or lovingkindness

Jeremiah 2:6 Or the shadow of death

Jeremiah 2:8 Lit shepherds

Jeremiah 2:10 I.e. Cyprus and other islands

Jeremiah 2:15 Lit given their voice

Jeremiah 2:16 Or sons

Jeremiah 2:16 Lit grazed

Jeremiah 2:18 Heb Shihor

Jeremiah 2:18 Lit River

Jeremiah 2:19 Heb YHWH, usually rendered Lord

Jeremiah 2:20 Or you

Jeremiah 2:22 Lit cause to be great to you

Jeremiah 2:22 Heb YHWH, usually rendered Lord

Jeremiah 2:24 Lit occasion

Jeremiah 2:25 Or desperate

Jeremiah 2:27 Or evil

Jeremiah 2:28 Or evil

Jeremiah 2:33 Or in wickedness



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Posted : 28 Oct, 2012 10:42 PM

Welcome back.. good to see you again brother. :waving:

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Posted : 2 Nov, 2012 06:42 PM

"And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable. When a man shall take hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruin be under thy hand"



This smells of the contemporary trend of youth/movie star worship! Made me scoff a little to look at all the similarities with the current human state! Very true.



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