Author	Thread: Do you deserve Eternal Death?!?
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 08:41 AM I was reading something about how most "unbelievers" still acknowledge that stealing/murder/rape/etc is wrong, the twist is that they don't think that the rest of their "sins" or attitudes are really sinful or deserving eternal punishment, and it brought a question to my mind. As Christians, how many believe that we deserve ETERNAL death for even the tiniest, most seemingly insignificant sin that we ever committed? :peace::peace: Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 09:27 AM Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- We were born with enough sin to condemn us to gehenna, because Adam was our first father. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 01:49 PM Well, I don't think we're born with sin per se. Just a degenerated nature, separated from God. Jesus says we're supposed to become like little children to enter the kingdom, I think he's saying that a child is spiritually innocent, at least until he commits willing sin, or a knowledge of the law slays him in sin(sin is also not imputed where there is no law). But I agree, even the tiniest sin condemns us to an eternal death, I don't think we realize the nature/evil of sin too often, or the horrible effects it brings to the universe. Thank God for mercy, repentance, forgiveness, and sanctification. Romans 5 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." Ezekiel 18 "The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, What mean you, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, says the Lord GOD, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die. But if a man is just, and does that which is lawful and right, And has not eaten upon the mountains, neither has lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither has defiled his neighbor's wife, neither has come near a woman during her impurity, And has not oppressed any, but has restored to the debtor his pledge, has robbed none by violence, has given his bread to the hungry, and has covered the naked with a garment; He that has not lent money for interest, neither has taken any increase, that has withdrawn his hand from iniquity, has executed true justice between man and man, Has walked in my statutes, and has kept my judgments faithfully; he is just, he shall surely live, says the Lord GOD. If he begets a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that does any one of these things, And that does not any of those duties, but even has eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbor's wife, Has oppressed the poor and needy, has robbed by violence, has not restored the pledge, and has lifted up his eyes to the idols, has committed abomination, Has lent money for interest, and has taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. Now, lo, if he begets a son, that sees all his father's sins which he has done, and considers, and does not the same, That has not eaten upon the mountains, neither has lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, has not defiled his neighbor's wife, Neither has oppressed any, has not withheld the pledge, neither has robbed by violence, but has given his bread to the hungry, and has covered the naked with a garment, That has withheld his hand from the poor, that has not received from money interest nor increase, has executed my judgments, has walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, robbed his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity." Jeremiah 31 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. :peace::peace: Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 05:33 PM Oh ok, so you just want to ignore one verse to post others out of context to prove your god. Well that's good for you I guess, but I will continue to worship the God of the bible that says sin entered through one man. :waving: Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 05:33 PM When you become a parent you will learn of how soon that little innocent child will do whatever to get their way. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 05:48 PM Food point ltm :applause: Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 6 Dec, 2012 06:12 PM Donna, I know you dont think very highly of my faith so I should take this as some sort of compliment. So thanks. Be blessed. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 01:04 AM Why are you looking for mans approval of your faith ltm? I know nothing of your faith, I do not know you. What I so know is by your writing your view of God is not biblical. Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 05:08 AM I am not looking for your approval that is why I rejected your effort to give it to me. I view any approval from you as condesending and insincere. One day when you realise you dont need to be a scholor like I did many years ago you will relax and realise the simple things of truth have the greatest return in our lives and live humbly before men then. Until then be blessed anyway. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 07:12 AM "Oh ok, so you just want to ignore one verse to post others out of context to prove your god. Well that's good for you I guess, but I will continue to worship the God of the bible that says sin entered through one man." The verse you posted in no way means that a child is born guilty of Adam's sin, and the verses I posted show that a child suffers the consequences of his own sin, not his father's sin. I do believe death and sin entered the world through the sin of one man(like the verse you posted said), and I do believe that a degenerative nature is passed down, and I do believe that all have sinned, but what I thought you're saying, and maybe you're not, is that the guilt of Adam's original sin is passed down to me, and I do not believe that is true. I might just be confused as to what you meant. "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die." "he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live." "And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. " "If this man were not of God, he could do nothing. They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out." The pharisees believed men were born guilty of their parents sins, I don't think they had it right. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Do you deserve Eternal Death?!? Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 07:14 AM Believing men are guilty of past sins was not their problem. They were hypocritical and they themselves did not have saving faith. They did everything for outward show. Post Reply

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