Author	Thread: Whom does God save?
Admin	Whom does God save? Posted : 21 Dec, 2012 07:14 PM Whom does God save? The short answer = Whomever He pleases. - There are some who believe it was decided who would be saved, even before the foundation of the world and "all" individuals have no choice in the matter. Scripture clearly teaches the 'Church' has had a predetermined destination before the foundation of the world, �however I see no clear teaching that every individual is only chosen one and the same way before the foundation of the world - no exceptions. God is Sovereign; He chooses and saves whomever, however and whenever He pleases. While mans own righteousness can never save him, there are plenty examples in Scripture where the actions of a person has received�the attention of God.� A Truly Sovereign God is Not bound by the "Tulip Rulebook" He bound only by His own nature. Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 02:57 AM So the Church is clearly chosen, but not the individuals inside of it? gotcha No thanks, I'll stick to my bad logic Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 07:36 AM THE FEAR OF THE LORD !!! ....... TENTETH LIFE !!! AND HE THAT HAS IT IS SATISFY !!! AND NO EVIL SHALL VISIT HIM !!! PROV. 19 : 23 Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 09:02 AM Graceundeserved: "So the Church is clearly chosen, but not the individuals inside of it? gotcha No thanks, I'll stick to my bad logic" ____________ That is not what I said, it is becoming painfully obvious that you do not play fair. What I said is individuals can be chosen whenever and however God desires because he is Sovereign Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 11:04 AM I think I get where you're going with this, and it does make some sense. Jesus said that He was only here for the house of Israel, and not the gentiles yet, but he did make exceptions. He made exceptions for people with great faith. Matthew 10:5-15 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15 22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. Matthew 8 5And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 01:14 PM I don't play fair? Yet you come into threads talking about the logic of Calvinism, even though you use logic the same way? It's highly hypocritical. Since God can and does choose who He wants then salvation isn't exactly and even playing field is it? Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 01:16 PM " Jesus said that He was only here for the house of Israel, and not the gentiles yet, but he did make exceptions. He made exceptions for people with great faith." Yep the ones He gave great faith too...because it's wasn't by their own will. John 1:13 Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 01:28 PM gave great faith to* Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 01:47 PM DontHitThatMark; great Scriptures, hadn't thought of those!� Undeservedgrace: " "I don't play fair?......" By putting words in my mouth, however if this is your way of asking for clarification; then I retract my statement and apologize. _______ ".......Since God can and does choose who He wants then salvation isn't exactly and even playing field is it?" Correct, it is not a fair playing field as 'man' judges fairness, however 'man' lacks all the facts to determine what is fair, God does not. Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 01:50 PM Well even when you gave clarification it didn't really help. It's a rather confused view. This is because you are trying to acknowledge God's sovereignty while at the same time trying to fit it into your system of thought as well...instead of just letting the scriptures speak for themselves. Post Reply
View Profile History	Whom does God save? Posted : 22 Dec, 2012 02:32 PM System, system ?! "I don't need no stink'n system" (badge) lol!� Seriously, I do my best to let Scripture speak for it self. I do my best not to interpret Scripture in such a way to fit a predetermined Doctrine.� It appears to me you may be unable to admit Scripture has to be interpreted in a certain way to fit Reformed Doctrine and all interpretations not agreeing are considered wrong. Why not let Scripture speak for itself? � I see Scripture saying; A Sovereign God is free to deal with some in a Calvinistic fashion and others in a Armenian fashion. There are plenty of Scriptures to support both views. However, I hear you saying it is the Reformedway or the Highway! Post Reply

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