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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 01:18 AM

Old Testament:



Exodus 21:10

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10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.



2 Samuel 5:13

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13 And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David.



1 Kings 11:3

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3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.



2 Chronicles 11:21

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21 And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.)



Deuteronomy 21:15

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15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:



Here is a small quote from a Christian (R.M.) who agrees with Polygamy:

Hello,

I was just reading your article on polygamy. I am a Christian who

actually believes polygamy is a righteous form of marriage. Despite the

modern secular church you probably usually see, there are Christians who

are serious about God and Truth over men's traditions.



Matthew 5:17-18

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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.



18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.



New Testament:



1 Timothy 3:2

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2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;



1 Timothy 3:12

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12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.



Keep in mind Paul said:



1 Corinthians 7:1-9



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7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.



2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.



3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.



4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.



5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.



6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.



7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.



8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.



9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.



"7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman." but it has "2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" but Paul was like a Bishop over many Churches, so did it mean he must be married or just The Bishop should have one wife? if this is so then its not talking to Non-Bishop and other verse Non-Deacons therefore Men are allowed more then one Wife.

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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 03:44 AM

Even if you believe it is not biblically wrong it is against the law here in the US. Not saying we should just blindly follow the law so have at it then.



Were not far from being a pologomist country with all of the divorce and remarriage any way.

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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 04:11 AM

Seriously, Women require a lot of attention. You would do your self well and be the most satisfied in finding one woman you can love and care for entirely. When you do you will feel so sucessful and this will build your confidence and become an even greater man for loving her. Your love for her will challange you to strech your self in ways you havent yet considered and your love for her will strengthen you in ways you have yet considered.



What I am trying to tell you is one woman and only one woman is more than enough.



But if your looking to have your fleshly needs fulfilled by having multiple wives then you are really asking for deep hurt.



If you consider those like David and Solomon who had mulitple wives what did they have in common? They were Kings with political power behind them. You do not see the common man having multiple wives. Why? because they didnt have that political power behind them.

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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 04:14 AM

Even if you believe it is not biblically wrong it is against the law here in the US. Not saying we should just blindly follow the law so have at it then.







Were not far from being a pologomist country with all of the divorce and remarriage any way.





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Let me ask you if right now you had to pick GOD'S LAWS or mans laws what would you pick? Also can man make laws that override GOD'S LAWS or Add to GOD'S LAWS? Also are we to Obey laws that do not Agree with GOD'S LAWS I say if you place any law over GOD'S LAWS you have your god and it is not GOD.



Also you say that Christian Polygamy thats been around and Blessed by GOD is like the sins people do like divorce? I will that mans laws on divorce is the true crime and sin, Women who get married then divorce even tro it is a sin.

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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 04:20 AM

Seriously, Women require a lot of attention. You would do your self well and be the most satisfied in finding one woman you can love and care for entirely. When you do you will feel so sucessful and this will build your confidence and become an even greater man for loving her. Your love for her will challange you to strech your self in ways you havent yet considered and your love for her will strengthen you in ways you have yet considered.







What I am trying to tell you is one woman and only one woman is more than enough.







But if your looking to have your fleshly needs fulfilled by having multiple wives then you are really asking for deep hurt.







If you consider those like David and Solomon who had mulitple wives what did they have in common? They were Kings with political power behind them. You do not see the common man having multiple wives. Why? because they didnt have that political power behind them.



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First I am a servant of GOD and I do everything for GOD so when you speak of this as me doing it for flesh you are wrong.



You say they only had many wives because they had been Kings but I would say this is not True, what about Jacob father of the 12 tribes of Israel who was poor when he was cast out of his land to save his life and worked 14 years for 2 of his wives. He was no King he only had his cloths on his back and a donky.

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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 05:32 AM

It may have been "allowed" or "winked at" for a time, but it is not the original design. Adam was created with only Eve. Christ has only one bride. Elders are to only have one wife. Using bible figures as examples is not proof that polygamy is biblical. Polygamy is always basically described as a curse as well. Solomon and David were going against God's commands for "Kings", that they should not have multiple wives.



Deuteronomy 17

15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.



1 Corinthians 7

7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.



1 Timothy 3

3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.



Titus 1

5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;



And to me, having "relations" with another woman while you're married would be considered adultery.



Matthew 19

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. 10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.



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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 05:50 AM

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It may have been "allowed" or "winked at" for a time, but it is not the original design. Adam was created with only Eve. Christ has only one bride. Elders are to only have one wife. Using bible figures as examples is not proof that polygamy is biblical. Polygamy is always basically described as a curse as well. Solomon and David were going against God's commands for "Kings", that they should not have multiple wives.



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Deuteronomy 17



15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.



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David taking other wives was �right in the eyes of Jehovah� and when the Lord spoke to David through Nathan the prophet regarding Bathsheba it is evident that if David wanted more wives the Lord could have provided;

2Sa 12:8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if that was too little, I would have given to you such and such things besides.



In responding to Solomon�s request for wisdom and knowledge, the Lord not only granted the initial request but promised , �riches, wealth and honor, such as none of the kings have had that have been before you, nor shall any after you have the like�. This could mean many wives since God had already blessed David with more wives.



However, Solomon did disobey the Word of the Lord as found in this passage:

Deu 17:14 When you come to the land which Jehovah your God gives you, and shall possess it and shall live in it and shall say, I will set a king over me, like all the nations around me,

Deu 17:15 you shall surely set a king over you, whom Jehovah your God shall choose. You shall set a king over you from among your brothers. You may not set a stranger over you, who is not your brother.

Deu 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, so as to multiply horses, because Jehovah has said to you, You shall return no more that way from now on.

Deu 17:17 Nor shall HE multiply wives to himself, so that his heart does not turn away. Nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold to himself.

Deu 17:18 And it shall be, when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write a copy of this Law in a book from before the priests, the Levites.



Solomon added wives from pagan nations. These turned away his heart. The instruction of the Lord in the passage above did not limit the King to one horse or one wife, it warned of wives that that would result in his heart turning away. Let us read of Solomon�s actions, not the Lords actions in the matter of wives;

1Ki 11:1 And King Solomon loved many foreign women, even the daughter of Pharaoh, Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians, Hittites;

1Ki 11:2 of the nations which Jehovah had said to the sons of Israel, You shall not go in to them, and they shall not go in to you; surely they will turn away your heart after their gods. Solomon clung to these in love.

1Ki 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines. And his wives turned away his heart.

1Ki 11:4 For it happened when Solomon was old, his wives turned away his heart after other gods. And his heart was not perfect with Jehovah his God, as was the heart of David his father.

1Ki 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth, the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom, the abomination of the Ammonites;

1Ki 11:6 and Solomon did evil in the sight of Jehovah, and did not go fully after Jehovah like his father David.



Solomon took extra wives of pagan faith; this was the error of his ways, not the taking of extra wives.



Naturally those who oppose polygyny will only tell us half the truth, they will focus on the negative things of Solomon�s wives but they will not declare that having many wives is not sin.



So to conclude we need to ask ourselves this; can a man with one wife have his heart turned away? Yes, he can. So the error of having one�s heart turned away is not unique to polygyny. Neither is it the natural consequence of polygyny.





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1 Corinthians 7



7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.



A:



Let it never said how many wives or say having many wives is wrong.



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1 Timothy 3



3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.



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Titus 1



5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;





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This talk to only bishop and deacons not anyone who is not.













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And to me, having "relations" with another woman while you're married would be considered adultery.





A: Not if you are Married to both of them.



S:

Matthew 19



4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. 10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.





A: This only talks about Divorce not Polygamy no one said to leave any of your wives less they cheat.



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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 11:25 AM

Well, it seems like you're arguing from silence, but either way, in order to be closest to God purpose, and to do the "good" work as Christian leaders who "rule their household" the best, it's apparently better be to the husband of one wife, or to not be married at all . Those are the ones that are supposed to be the clearest examples of Christ in the bible, and the best examples of leadership and fathers/husbands...so...probably the "one spouse" model that God instituted in the garden of Eden would be the best.



I'm still waiting on a clear verse where God recommends having more than one wife. I think I posted quite a few where He/Jesus and his apostles were directly prescribing the one wife/husband model, again, like the one originally laid out at creation.





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Posted : 18 Jan, 2013 06:23 PM

jacob was decieved into marrying lea. Are you?

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Posted : 19 Jan, 2013 08:47 AM

If US law forbade something that God had commanded then I'd have to take my chances with the law and ignore it (if I was in the US - I'm not). Thankfully there is no command to take multiple wives so this human law does not contradict scripture.



If you believe that polygamy is allowed biblically then you are free to engage in that in some parts of the world, but what you're doing is the same as those who asked Jesus if they should pay taxes to Caesar.

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Posted : 19 Jan, 2013 08:52 AM

Well, it seems like you're arguing from silence, but either way, in order to be closest to God purpose, and to do the "good" work as Christian leaders who "rule their household" the best, it's apparently better be to the husband of one wife, or to not be married at all . Those are the ones that are supposed to be the clearest examples of Christ in the bible, and the best examples of leadership and fathers/husbands...so...probably the "one spouse" model that God instituted in the garden of Eden would be the best.







I'm still waiting on a clear verse where God recommends having more than one wife. I think I posted quite a few where He/Jesus and his apostles were directly prescribing the one wife/husband model, again, like the one originally laid out at creation.



A: I Will Follow GOD and I have Already shown you are wrong and GOD Allowies it you just choose not to hear it.

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