Author	Thread: God is Sovereign -- Not you!
Admin	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 22 Aug, 2013 11:22 PM Don't forget it. He does whatever He wants. You cannot resist Him. Hear and understand. You cannot resist God. Isa. 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure. He does whatever He wants. He CAUSES it to happen. Get it? Jonah 4:6-7 Now the LORD God appointed a plant and made it come up over Jonah, that it might be a shade over his head, to save him from his discomfort. So Jonah was exceedingly glad because of the plant. But when dawn came up the next day, God appointed a worm that attacked the plant, so that it withered. APPOINTED: Hebrew word prostasso from the root tasso. 1. to arrange in an orderly manner 2. (generally) to assign or dispose (to a certain position or lot) KJV: addict, appoint, determine, ordain, set Really Job? You don't say. Job 12:13-14 With God are wisdom and might; he has counsel and understanding. If he tears down, none can rebuild; if he shuts a man in, none can open. Job 23: 13-15 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him Job 42:1-2 THEN JOB said to the Lord, I know that You can do all things, and that no thought {or} purpose of Yours can be restrained {or} thwarted. Wait, wait... I know that men can plot against God and thwart His plans.....oh really? Acts 4:24-28 And when they heard it, lifted their voices together with one united mind to God and said, O Sovereign Lord, You are He Who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything that is in them, Who by the mouth of our forefather David, Your servant {and} child, said through the Holy Spirit, Why did the heathen (Gentiles) become wanton {and} insolent {and} rage, and the people imagine {and} study {and} plan vain (fruitless) things [that will not succeed]? The kings of the earth took their stand in array [for attack] and the rulers were assembled {and} combined together against the Lord and against His Anointed (Christ, the Messiah) For in this city there actually met and plotted together against Your holy Child {and} Servant Jesus, Whom You consecrated by anointing, both Herod and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles and peoples of Israel, To carry out all that Your hand and Your will {and} purpose had predestined (predetermined) should occur. But but.......that's just your interpretation. It's not what the Bible actually teaches. You sure? Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Ps 115:3 But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases. Lam 3:37 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? isa 14: 26-27 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? 2 Chr 20:6 And said, O Lord, God of our fathers, are You not God in heaven? And do You not rule over all the kingdoms of the nations? In Your hand are power and might, so that none is able to withstand You. Is 43:13 Yes, from the time of the first existence of day {and} from this day forth I am He; and there is no one who can deliver out of My hand. I will work, and who can hinder {or} reverse it? Ps 135:6 ​​​​​​​​Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, ​​​​​​​in heaven and on earth, ​​​​​​​in the seas and all deeps. ​​​ Post Reply
View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 22 Aug, 2013 11:24 PM Ps 135:6 ​​​​​​​Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, ​​​​​​​in heaven and on earth, ​​​​​​​in the seas and all deeps. ​​​ Post Reply
View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 22 Aug, 2013 11:27 PM Ps. 135:6 Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps. :excited: Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 23 Aug, 2013 01:07 AM :applause: Amen, that is the God I serve. there is none other. ALL others are idols. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 23 Aug, 2013 08:11 AM Amen, now what is wrong with believing that a sovereign God created and respects free will? God controlled the elements, and controlled a worm. He did not force Jonah to do anything. He did not force the people of Nineveh to do anything, He actually recanted of the destruction He thought to bring against them. The difference? Man is the image of God, a special creation with free moral will. The extent of how God works His will is displayed perfectly in the story of Jonah. Jonah didn't want to go to Nineveh. God DID want Jonah to go to Nineveh. God used his power to create a circumstance where Jonah had to go to Nineveh. Did God remove Jonah's free will? God didn't want Jonah to be angry that Nineveh was spared. Did God reason with Jonah and provide object lessons to convict Jonah of his hypocrisy and lack of mercy? Or did God simply remove Jonah's anger? I agree that God is sovereign enough to remove our will, but does he want to? You guys should research the war in heaven. Try to come to some logical conclusions about it why and how Satan rebelled, and why God didn't just wipe Satan out. It will help you understand the entirety of the plan of salvation, to see the purpose behind it all instead of simply making God responsible for sin. Jeremiah 18 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. Jonah 3 4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. 5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. 6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. 7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: 8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. 9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. Jonah 4 4 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry. 2 And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil. 3 Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live. 4 Then said the Lord, Doest thou well to be angry? 5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city. 6 And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd. 7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered. 8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live. 9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death. 10 Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: 11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle? Ezekiel 33 33 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: 3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; 4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. 6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. 7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them for me. 8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 23 Aug, 2013 08:42 AM You can worship your god :bow: and I will worship mine :bow: but let's at least agree that they are NOT the same. You can teach everyone here about your god and I will teach and preach about mine. Let's not be concerned for trying to synthesize the two and let's not be concerned that we do not walk in "unity". Let's admit plainly, we do not serve the same God. I do not serve the god proclaimed by other members here. In fact, I do not even recognize him based on other member's description. I have no idea what to call him but even if I did, I would not worship that idol. That is my position and I have now declared it publicly so there can be no confusion. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 23 Aug, 2013 12:15 PM "I do not serve the god proclaimed by other members here. In fact, I do not even recognize him based on other member's description. I have no idea what to call him but even if I did, I would not worship that idol. That is my position and I have now declared it publicly so there can be no confusion." :yay: Amen IWA, I also do not worship the free will idol god of man's making. I will continue continue the Almighty God of the bible who saves whom he has predestined from the foundation of the world. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 23 Aug, 2013 07:13 PM I worship the God of the Bible, the one who offers His free gift of salvation to all who believe. I know I have assurance of my salvation by seeking His forgiveness for the sins I committed against Him. I continue to ask those who believe they are elected into God's family HOW they KNOW that they are elected. And, if no matter what I do, God will make be be saved, then why would I choose to do the right things and feel guilty when I do the wrong things. Why not just go live life as a big party...and wham I'm in Heaven! Now that sounds wrong to me! What makes you believe you are part of a special group? Post Reply
View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 23 Aug, 2013 07:48 PM This post is on God's Sovereignty not "election". Besides, your questions have already been asked and answered. Having said that, I found this statement to be very funny Teach, you said: " Why not just go live life as a big party...and wham I'm in Heaven! Now that sounds wrong to me!" That actually is your belief system, not mine. You have stated multiple times that once a person accepts the free gift just one time that they have His gift of eternal life forever and it cannot be taken away. No matter what they do. So, given your very own premise, I can "accept that free gift in say 1979, go live life as a big party...and wham I'm in Heaven when I die" Now that sounds wrong to me!! Now, another thing that is quite comical is that you also believe that you are part of a special group. The only difference is that you believe that you got there by your own ability. You accepted the free gift and did not reject the free gift and now you are part of a special group. We believe that God chose to make us part of that special group from before the foundation of the earth and that it had nothing to do with our own abilities. Which do you believe is more honoring to God - to glorify His Sovereignty or to glorify man's ability? -- Soli Deo Gloria! By the way, it seems no matter how many times others here have explained their belief system to you, you continue to repeat it back as though you really still do not understand it. Yet, you maintain that you do. Post Reply
View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 23 Aug, 2013 07:56 PM Now, another thing that is quite comical is that you also believe that you are part of a special group. The only difference is that you believe that you got there by your own ability. You accepted the free gift and did not reject the free gift and now you are part of a special group. We believe that God chose to make us part of that special group from before the foundation of the earth and that it had nothing to do with our own abilities. Which do you believe is more honoring to God - to glorify His Sovereignty or to glorify man's ability? -- Soli Deo Gloria! By the way, it seems no matter how many times others here have explained their belief system to you, you continue to repeat it back as though you really still do not understand it. Yet, you maintain that you do. Actually Iwa That is exactly what you do repeatedly and it is the same kind of tactic you will see time and time again by those that proclaim reformation theology. Then they Say, not teach says, you believe you save yourself. Fact is this, if man does choose life he does not have life, that is scripture. Post Reply
View Profile History	God is Sovereign -- Not you! Posted : 23 Aug, 2013 08:06 PM Actually PJ, That is exactly what you do repeatedly and it is the same kind of tactic you will see time and time again by those that proclaim Pelagian/Arminian theology. Post Reply

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