Thread: An Open Challenge To This Forums Contributors
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An Open Challenge To This Forums Contributors
Posted : 8 Sep, 2013 02:02 PM
Please show anywhere where I have preached/taught contrary to the doctrine of Christ/the Word. You may not like what I preach/teach but that it is not the point. You must show that it is contrary to the Word itself.
Highlight my comments and prove that the Word of God teaches otherwise. That's the challenge.
It is NOT enough to FALSELY ACCUSE somebody of doing something, you must show that this has in fact been done. As you all know, I have done this with the content from many other members here.
K... I'm considered a lowly doughnut eating, milk drinking fella whose opinion doesn't really matter to some :buddies: but I'll be yer Huckleberry and have a say.... IMO no digging thru the archives is necessary as this particular post obviously not in defense of the Gospel or it's teaching, as if God needs our defense eh? It's seems this is more about IWA. Nor is much of any of the input on anyone else's threads today (Sunday) very encouraging edifying or could be taken as anything but sarcasm.
James taught about words...
*If you want to read a great defense for his ministry and dealing with false profits and what suffering is, one place is in 2 Corinthians 10, 11
James 1:19-27
Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
Please show anywhere where I have preached/taught contrary to the doctrine of Christ/the Word. You may not like what I preach/teach but that it is not the point. You must show that it is contrary to the Word itself.
Highlight my comments and prove that the Word of God teaches otherwise. That's the challenge.
It is NOT enough to FALSELY ACCUSE somebody of doing something, you must show that this has in fact been done. As you all know, I have done this with the content from many other members here.
I know where you continually made accusations, I know you accept refromation theology as the truth.
Answer this question without all the railing and false accusation's
Why do reformers take certain scriptures as what they call literal and some need to be interpreted.
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Luke 10:25-26
Go learn what it means.
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Neither did I think it would brother... the one thing you left out before the period was
"the truth and the facts don't matter (to me)." :buddies:
I'll give ya one credit, and this is me, huckleberry speaking... Using an individual verse's meaning out of context to insult another man is quite clever... Luke 10:25,26 it's not necessarily nice or something one would expect from an honorable teacher/preacher of God's word.
I'm going to assume since this your school yard challenge and you'll have the last word regardless so twist it, slice it, or dice it any way that suits you bro, this will be my last here... yer the winner!
One -- To be clear, this isn't some kind of "school yard challenge". Here is a simple fact, you and others just like you don't like certain things that the Bible clearly and plainly teach. This is your own issue, not mine. If I am charged with "causing divisions contrary to the doctrines of Christ". I want to see it clearly demonstrated. Otherwise, the claim is FALSE.
Having said that, not a single soul here has ever been able to demonstrate through clear argumentation using Scripture that what I have personally taught/promoted here is errant. It's not sufficient to throw up a pile of verses to pit the Word of God against itself as some have repeatedly done. They must be able to answer the Scriptures in the original argument (which they never do) and also to harmonize "opposing" Scriptures. (which they also never do)
However, because you and others don't like certain Biblical doctrines, you accuse folks like myself and others who promote them of being divisive. --- Now, I agree, whenever the truth is expounded people will be divided into two groups; those that believe the truth and those that reject it. What I do not agree on is that I am the one that teaches contrary to Biblical doctrine.
TC asked: "Why do reformers take certain scriptures as what they call literal and some need to be interpreted." To me, this question begs the question. It assumes some type of error on the part of "reformers". My answer was this, "And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? Luke 10:25-26
Go learn what it means. " You call this "using an individual verse's meaning out of context to insult another man" Okey dokey, then you must be right. Or, perhaps, you need to go and learn what it means also.
Those like yourself who do not understand nor accept the Truth when its presented, cannot be expected to view anything else in life rightly or honestly. This would include your own view of yourself and others, too. Your view will always be twisted "truth". Now, just since you have been chiming in on these threads, there have still been a number of bad behaviors from other members here. However, true to form, you cannot or will not comment on those just what you perceive to be my own "not necessarily nice" behavior. Why is that? Do you any explanation for this at all?
In addition to which, you yourself have now been repeatedly guilty of the same chides, sarcasms, affronts, and so on that you charge me with. Apparently this fact also escapes you. Why is that?
In closing, I rarely take the last word. Go over old threads and check that out for yourself. Feel free to take the last word, I have nothing more to say to you. You and many others here owe myself and Dljrn04 an apology. I won't hold my breath that that day will ever come because I know and understand the extraordinary levels of pride that exist in the hearts of those whom like yourself believe that they chose God.
"You and many others here owe myself and Dljrn04 an apology. I won't hold my breath that that day will ever come because I know and understand the extraordinary levels of pride that exist in the hearts of those whom like yourself believe that they chose God. "
Ya know what, maybe I will "chime in" just one more time and will disregard all the other "you people" and "people like you" commentary huh? Let's stick to some discussion and learning so we can all be edified...
Luke 25,26 is also lumped in with another 10 verses where Jesus knows the intent of this lawyer's question is insincere so our Lord brings this man through a process of questions and answers and an important parable to get to the meat of what God requires...
Yer the teacher my brother... teach
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, �Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?� He said to him, �What is written in the Law? How do you read it?� And he answered, �You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.� And he said to him, �You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.�
But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, �And who is my neighbor?� Jesus replied, �A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead. Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came to where he was, and when he saw him, he had compassion. He went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him. And the next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, �Take care of him, and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I come back.� Which of these three, do you think, proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?� He said, �The one who showed him mercy.� And Jesus said to him, �You go, and do likewise.�
Just because you don't like or believe what I or someone else writes, the Scriptures quoted, or the thoughts presented, does not make it false either.
While I don't 100% agree with what you present, it's not so much what you present that I don't like but it is the HOW.
I don't like HOW others have presented their views even if I may agree with what they believe. And I have on multiple threads made that clear.
We are supposed to be adults, and most I have seen post here claim they are a Christian. So, whether they are or not a Christian is not the point I am making here...the point is the Bible clearly states HOW a Christian should conduct him or her self. I have not claimed to always post mature posts, but I try.
Because basically what I write in response to you or DLRJN, whether it is clearly my thoughts or straight Scripture, even on a thread I started, seems to draw out, in my mind, negative, immature responses, I have opted not to respond on any thread you begin (this thread being the exception).
Even the title of this thread is provocative...like you want a fight. At one time I thought you wanted to have discussions....whether we convinced each other to change views; however, it seems to me that you just want to argue over if you have been refuted adequately or called the same names you call others.
As someone else somewhat put it recently, I choose to 'hang out' with people who will edify, encourage, or be open to a mature discussion. I don't expect everyone to agree with every aspect of what I believe...but as Sojourner put it 'the basics are there...death, burial, Resuurection of Christ and trusting and believing'. If I disagree with someone or if they disagree with me on aspects of the Bible, we can maturely point it out. If not, then I will do with them what I have done with others -- avoid interaction.
1. I read the forums here for months before I ever contributed. In fact, there were many times that I wanted to respond but I just turned my back to what I saw and did not respond. Finally, I couldn't turn my back anymore, so I jumped in. Why? Because I got so sick and tired of watching the same majority crowd tearing down the same few people over and over again. So, I came in to defend them and the Biblical faith that I shared with them. In short, I got sick of watching those whom I recognized as my true brothers and sisters in Christ getting repeatedly harassed. I can say much more here but I am choosing not do so.
2. For many months, I have purposely mirrored the behaviors of others here. Often times, I will use the very same words that they have used in other posts. I lift quotes and thoughts straight from them and answer them with it. My doing so has outraged them. Yet, to date, they still have not figured out that this is what I have been doing. You see, these folks see the "problem" when it's in someone else. They just don't see it in themselves.
