Author	Thread: How much do we need to believe?
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 17 Dec, 2013 08:42 AM How much must one believe in to be saved? How much doctrine/theology must one accept before they're really following Christ? Post Reply
View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 17 Dec, 2013 12:22 PM :) ... xo Post Reply
View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 17 Dec, 2013 09:53 PM :ROFL: Hopefully NONE!!! Theology won't save us and it sure doesn't prove whether or not we are following Jesus. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you'll be saved. It seems to me Jesus didn't particularly care for the Theologians in Jerusalem, or at least he argued against their Theology and self righteous arrogance. You should know by now that I believe there is a difference between being a Christian (participating in a religion) and being a follower of Jesus (walking in the light). But that's because I also believe Christians are followers of the Papacy :devil: whether they are Protestant or Catholic. 1Jn 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. Do we believe this or do we think that "he that loveth his theology abideth in the light? :dunce: Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 18 Dec, 2013 09:54 AM So, do you think it's possible to be a "true christian" for 10-50 years, and yet not understand all the correct doctrine? Do you think that someone in "the papacy" could be a true christian that may be following Christ? :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 18 Dec, 2013 10:04 AM "How much doctrine/theology must one accept before they're really following Christ? " He answers hopefully NONE! Do you really want to carry on any kind of a serious dialogue w/ that kind of complete irrationality? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 18 Dec, 2013 12:05 PM At least he's offering dialog. :goofball: And I happen to agree with his main point. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 18 Dec, 2013 03:07 PM The guy is an irrational syncretist who disregards the authority and inerrancy of Scripture. He is a rebel against orthodoxy and orthopraxy who is trying to justify the creation of his own religion (which he prefers not to call a religion) in order to appease his conscience. He does this while at the same time attacking those who adhere to the Christian faith. Don't get me wrong, for the most part he has been a nice enough guy. I have nothing personal against him at all. However, the religion he is currently practicing is an abomination to Yahweh. Post Reply
View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 18 Dec, 2013 03:27 PM This whole OP betrays the fallacious thinking of the modern church and it's adherents. Stop trying to lower the bar and find the minimum barriers to entry for acceptability into the kingdom. Stop trying to throw out doctrine and throw out theology. Jesus NEVER did that. Stop trying to throw out the law word of God. Jesus NEVER did that. We are commanded to preach the gospel and make disciples of NATIONS -- ENTIRE nations. Making a disciple consists of teaching them to apply the WHOLE counsel of God to every area of thought and life. We are to teach them to observe ALL THINGS that have been commanded. Anything less than this is a truncated and impotent gospel. Further, it is God who determines who He will save according to His own Sovereign election -- by His own mercy and grace to sinners. Stop trying to water down what the Bible teaches. You cannot reconstruct the Word of God to suit your own fancy. Post Reply
View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 18 Dec, 2013 06:03 PM Yes, DHTM, it is possible for someone in the Papacy to be a follower of Jesus. But I would hope that they would eventually choose following Jesus over participation in a corrupted religion. Z, I would appreciate your knowledge and wisdom much more if it seemed a little sweeter but the bitter taste of your constant nagging is making it hard to swallow. It is not important to me if you think I am right or wrong and you might find that I am teachable and can be persuaded if given good reason to change my views. My purpose is not to find fault with others but to find healing for the faults I find in myself. Part of that process is discussing where my beliefs are today with the hope that I may learn more, better, deeper and wider truth in the future. I know you have been here for a while and we who test your doctrinal beliefs are a tiresome lot, but do not grow weary in your well doing and preach what you believe with peace and joy. I may not comment on everything you post here but I always read it and I like some of it too. Post Reply
View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 18 Dec, 2013 06:12 PM SBD, That seems a bit disingenuous to me, if I am being honest with you. ( and I believe that honesty is the only way to develop anything of true and lasting value relationally). I think I have been pretty cordial to you overall. However, some of your recent statements here are highly critical. As I said, (and I do mean it), I have no personal issues with you but I do think you have a position that is contrary to orthodoxy and you are actively promoting it now. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	How much do we need to believe? Posted : 19 Dec, 2013 05:49 AM I'm not setting the bar low, I'm looking for discussion. You should clarify with me what I'm actually doing before you tell me to stop doing things I'm not doing. Did I say they shouldn't learn and follow and eventually teach and evangelize with the truth? I don't think I did. Isn't that false witness? Since this is supposed to be a discussion, let's see what you would say. What is the entry point to being a believer? My point in this discussion is to nail people down on who is our brother or sister in Christ and how we should be treating them. Maybe Jude is like that servant who was given 2 talents, and instead of helping her develop and grow, you're shunning and discouraging her. James 3 Taming the Tongue 1Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. 2For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body. 3If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. 4Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. 5So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! 6And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life,a and set on fire by hell.b 7For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, 8but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 9With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. 10From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers,c these things ought not to be so. 11Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? 12Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water. Wisdom from Above 13Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. 14But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. 15This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. 17But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. :peace::peace: Post Reply

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