REPOST: Where in Scripture do we find these PAID professionals
Posted : 7 Jan, 2014 06:07 PM
One who is taught the word must share all good things with the one who teaches.
1 Timothy 5:17-18 ESV
Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, �You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,� and, �The laborer deserves his wages.�
2 Thessalonians 3:7-10 ESV
For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you. It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
Acts 20:33-35 ESV
I coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me. In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, �It is more blessed to give than to receive.��
1 Corinthians 9:9-14 ESV
For it is written in the Law of Moses, �You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.� Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings?
1 Corinthians 9:14 ESV
In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.
1 Thessalonians 5:12-13 ESV
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves.
Philippians 4:16-19 ESV
Even in Thessalonica you sent me help for my needs once and again. Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that increases to your credit. I have received full payment, and more. I am well supplied, having received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent, a fragrant offering, a sacrifice acceptable and pleasing to God. And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.
Acts 4:32-35 ESV
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 10:7 ESV
And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house.
1 Corinthians 9:18-19 ESV
What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel. For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them.
Deuteronomy 25:4 ESV
�You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain.
Acts 6:2 ESV
And the twelve summoned the full number of the disciples and said, �It is not right that we should give up preaching the word of God to serve tables.
Luke 1:45 ESV
And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.�
Numbers 18:24 ESV
For the tithe of the people of Israel, which they present as a contribution to the Lord, I have given to the Levites for an inheritance. Therefore I have said of them that they shall have no inheritance among the people of Israel.�
REPOST: Where in Scripture do we find these PAID professionals
Posted : 7 Jan, 2014 07:25 PM
The biggest problem is not what you are paying but what you are (as in are not) getting in return.
Of the seven times pastors are spoken of in the OT only once are they spoken of favorably, and God makes it clear that the shepherds will be held accountable for the condition of the flock they are feeding.
I would be happy to contribute towards making it financially possible for a person to dedicate their lives 24/7 providing they have been chosen by God rather then just being approved by some seminary or other councils of men.
We see an example of this in the New Testament when the apostles chose a replacement to take the place of Judas we never hear of the man again. However, when God chooses Paul to be an apostle, it is as Paul said he did not teach with great words of wisdom but with manifestations of power seen through signs and wonders that witnessed God's approval and anointing of Paul to teach people about the things of God.
REPOST: Where in Scripture do we find these PAID professionals
Posted : 7 Jan, 2014 08:53 PM
ok, if you don't believe in paying the preacher why tithe? unless you don't believe in tithing... When I do what G-d says to do He takes care of me and the ripple in the pond is in His charge too.
REPOST: Where in Scripture do we find these PAID professionals
Posted : 8 Jan, 2014 10:54 AM
Ephesians 4:11-16: It was He {Jesus} who gives some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.... Speaking the Truth in **LOVE**, we will in all things grow up into Him, who is the Head, that is Christ. From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament grows and builds itself up in **LOVE**, as each part does its work!
If you believe your prophet, preacher, teacher or evangelist is teaching the Truth in God's Word in Love; then you should reimburse him for his labor so he can continue to preach God's Word.
REPOST: Where in Scripture do we find these PAID professionals
Posted : 8 Jan, 2014 01:04 PM
"ok, if you don't believe in paying the preacher why tithe? unless you don't believe in tithing... When I do what G-d says to do He takes care of me and the ripple in the pond is in His charge too."
I am not drawing a line of difference between paying tithes or financially supporting a preacher.
What I am drawing a line between is a man of God versus a person educated by man concerning what is considered by some to be the things of God. When it comes to a man of God, what is mine is his. On the other hand I have no use for what many people call a church.
REPOST: Where in Scripture do we find these PAID professionals
Posted : 8 Jan, 2014 02:25 PM
Hi mcubed:
First i would like to address the fact that in the Book of the Acts of the Holy SPirit,which is where we find the beginnings of the 'ekklesia' ; the called out ones, or the 'ASSEMBLIES / congregation'
we will not find the 'church' anywhere in the language which the Scriptures have been written.
This is one of the distortions by the interpreters.
Secondly,why do people always go back to the OLD COVENANT in order to justify their position on a given subject or doctrine.
Remember we are under a NEW COVENANT, the Old Covenant was nailed to the cross with Messiah.
Col_2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Thirdly,the ASSEMBLIES are to be having a PLURALITY of ELDERS overseeing the assembly.
Act_14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every assembly, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
Act 20:17 And from Miletus he sent word to Ephesus and summoned the elders of theassembly.
Act_20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the Assembly of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
The 'elders' were just OLDER men,these men were not required to have any type of degree.
These men did not graduate from any Cemetery,i mean seminary ( you go in alive,and come out dead);
Nor did they have any doctorates,phd,mdiv.,nope no formal training just look at the BIBLICAL requirements for being an 'elder.
1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Titus 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
Titus 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
Lastly,Messiah Yeshua did He not talk about ;HIRELINGS,i believe He did.
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
John 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
REPOST: Where in Scripture do we find these PAID professionals
Posted : 9 Jan, 2014 03:53 PM
The early church saints always had meetings in their own houses and never even thought of building expensive church buildings. Churches are assemblies of believers and are never referred to as buildings!
Romans 16:5: Paul said, Greet also the church that meets at their **HOUSE**!
"Philemon 1:2: Pauls said, "To Archippus our fellow soldier and to the church that meets in your **HOME**!"
I Corinthians 16:19: Paul said, The churches in the province of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and priscilla greet you warmly in the Lord, and so does the church that meets at their *HOUSE*!"
Colossians 4:15: Paul said, "Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her **HOUSE**!"
Acts 20:20: Paul said, "You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from **HOUSE** to **HOUSE**!"
Unfortunately almost all Christians in the USA now meet in expensive church buildings with deluxe pews and sound systems. After paying for the church mortgage and the preacher or preachers and their houses; and 10% to the denominations there is hardly anything left to help the poor saints in Africa that live on a dollar a day or to help missionaries fulfill the Great Commission to bring the Gospel to all nations.
