It is obvious from many people's comments, that they are seeking to have men "persuade" them, and enable them to make up their minds, on whether they want to believe or not, but that is not how the sheep are led to believe..
The doctrine of "I get to make a choice, so persuade me" is undoubtedly the "another gospel" which Paul wrote of, for it insults the very Word and Power of God.
Where do men get it, that they get to believe, if only men persuade them to?
One man on here, asked me "what other do you have to support" something that I had written, as though I could possibly persuade him to accept Christ.
"Persuasion" is the gospel of the damned.
We see this same very odd comment from Agrippa to Paul, who tells Paul, that he was almost able to persuade him to becoming a believer, but Paul said nothing:
"Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian." Acts 26:28
What these men ask, "what more do you have to support this for me, so as to enable me to (like Agrippa) become a believer, if I want", is not scriptural, at all.
Men do not get to choose if they want salvation, or not, that is not their choice. They are confusing truth with a lie, which is what the "free will gang"" teach, which is not scriptural..
Let me give you (saints) a couple of examples of how absolutely messed up this doctrine of free will truly is..
It is written, "blessed are you Peter, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this to you - but the Father", but you somehow think that the scripture is a lie, elsewise you would not contradict the very scripture which you claim to believe, and ask me (a flesh and blood man) to provide you with "support" in coming to faith:
"And Jesus answered him, �Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 16:17
Here is Paul, writing the same thing, that "the gospel which was preached of me is not after man", but yet you now want to call Paul a liar, as well:
"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Gal 1:11-12
Here, are two more examples, that you do not get to choose, if you are going to be believe, or not.
Jesus is in the Temple, in Solomon's Porch, and the Jews (who were the Devil's Seed, in His generation) surround Him, and ask Him, why He is making them to doubt. They ask "if you are the Messiah, then just plainly tell us". What Jesus says to them next, destroys this false doctrine of Christianity completely. Jesus tells them, "but you do not believe, because YOU ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP":
"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:26-27
If you were one of the sheep, then you would believe. Belief is predicated upon being one of the chosen, not on what you think.
You see, they have been listening to men, who have been lying to them. They have told them, "you can believe, and become one of the sheep, if you want", whereas the scripture states, that you have to be one of the sheep in order to believe.
Do you see how men have lied and twisted the scripture?
Did you get that? If men do not believe, it is not because they do not want to, it is because they are not able to:
"Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word." John 8:43
The sheep hear the Father's Voice, not man's, and they come to that call. Furthermore, they do not listen to any other's voice, other than the Father:
"And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." John 10:5
Yes, persuasion is undeniably the gospel of the damned, for it has the effect of rendering the Word of Almighty God as being powerless and unnecessary.
The sheep hear the Father's Voice, not man's, and they come to that call. Furthermore, they do not listen to any other's voice, other than the Father:
*** Yup!!!...couldnt have said it any better...:applause:...there are many anti-christs in the world and each of them has an agenda...to discredit Yahweh and take His Childrens Souls...Ima be pray for those that still lost...xo
What is absurd is a person making a statement in a forum in which the Bible is being discussed and they will not support what they say with any reference to the Bible at all. I don't need to be persuaded to believe in Christ. I know Christ quite well. I also don't need to be persuaded to believe anything you believe but if you will put forth an argument without any thing to hold it up then you do not intend to argue your case but rather you are broadcasting your agenda and intend to put down anyone that questions it. If you think that asking for evidence or support for your argument is asking to be persuaded then it must be. Is persuasion not the intent of presenting an argument in the first place? Do you not intend to prove something by presenting your brand of theology? If you'd rather be condescending and make unfounded derogatory remarks about anyone who challenges you even to the extent that you question one's salvation, knowledge of Christ or their faith then you don't belong here.
"What is absurd is a person making a statement in a forum in which the Bible is being discussed and they will not support what they say with any reference to the Bible at all."....?
"Uhh.... Where is your reference referring that which is being discussed?
You are being deceitful, if you claim that there are no scriptures used (referred to) in this post.
Here is your posted reply, and there is not one single scripture to back up anything which you are espousing, while the post itself has repeated references.
"What is absurd is a person making a statement in a forum in which the Bible is being discussed and they will not support what they say with any reference to the Bible at all. I don't need to be persuaded to believe in Christ. I know Christ quite well. I also don't need to be persuaded to believe anything you believe but if you will put forth an argument without any thing to hold it up then you do not intend to argue your case but rather you are broadcasting your agenda and intend to put down anyone that questions it. If you think that asking for evidence or support for your argument is asking to be persuaded then it must be. Is persuasion not the intent of presenting an argument in the first place? Do you not intend to prove something by presenting your brand of theology? If you'd rather be condescending and make unfounded derogatory remarks about anyone who challenges you even to the extent that you question one's salvation, knowledge of Christ or their faith then you don't belong here."
Who are you to tell another where they belong?
This proves that you do believe in a strange gospel, for why else would you think to control men, and the world?
You did not have to reply to this post. You could have fulfilled I Thess 4:11, which admonishes the saint to "study to be quiet, mind your own business, and work with your hands as we commanded you"...?
"You do err not knowing the scripture nor the power of God"
Whenever a man is anointed, it is not he, but the Father which dwelleth in that man, that teaches others. Thus a man is not able to persuade, as though the outcome would be predicated upon man's desires and powers. This was even the case with the Messiah. It was not the Messiah that taught men, for He had no doctrine of His own by the Father, who dwelled in Him. This is the mystery of the indwelling:
"Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." John 7:16
Here we see Philip asking Jesus to "show is the Father, and that will be sufficient". Notice that it is the Father Who answers back, out of Jesus, telling Philip "have I been so long with you, Philip, and yet you do not know me?" Later in John 7, we see Jesus tell Philip, that "it was not I who spoke to you, Philip, but the Father that dwelleth in me":
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:8-10
Look again at what Jesus tells Philip, that it was not him, but the Father Who spoke out of Jesus:
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
This is the reason why Jesus would say, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father", and "I and the Father are one."
The Father began dwelling in me, as is the case with all sons, when I was born. This is what the Water Baptism is all about. He took me from my mother's womb, as you see David and Paul write of in these two passages:
"But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's bosom. 10I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly." Psalms 22:9-10
"But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:" Galatians 1:15-16
The Father had been dwelling in Paul, though he did not comprehend this, from his mother's womb.
This is why it is written that the natural man (the one who is not anointed, because the Father dwelleth not in that man) receiveth not the things of God, neither can he know them, for they are spiritually (by the Father) discerned (taught to him)."
If the Father does not draw a man, then that man cannot come to the Father, and then to Jesus as savior. If the Father does not teach a man, then that man will never know the truth. Men cannot teach us, who are chosen to be sons of God:
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." John 6:44-45
"You do err not knowing the scripture nor the power of God"
Whenever a man is anointed, it is not he, but the Father which dwelleth in that man, that teaches others. Thus a man is not able to persuade, as though the outcome would be predicated upon man's desires and powers. This was even the case with the Messiah. It was not the Messiah that taught men, for He had no doctrine of His own but the Father's, Who dwelled in Him. This is the mystery of the indwelling:
"Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." John 7:16
Here we see Philip asking Jesus to "show us the Father, and that will be sufficient". Notice that it is the Father Who answers back, out of Jesus, telling Philip, "have I been so long with you, Philip, and yet you do not know me?" Later in John 14, we see Jesus tell Philip, that "it was not I who spoke to you, Philip, but the Father that dwelleth in me":
"Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:8-10
Look again at what Jesus tells Philip, that it was not him, but the Father Who spoke out of Jesus:
"10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
This is the reason why Jesus would say, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father", and "I and the Father are one."
The Father began dwelling in me, as is the case with all sons, when I was born. This is what the Water Baptism is all about. He took me from my mother's womb, as you see David and Paul write of in these two passages:
"But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's bosom. 10I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly." Psalms 22:9-10
"But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:" Galatians 1:15-16
The Father had been dwelling in Paul, though he did not comprehend this, from his mother's womb.
This is why it is written that the natural man (the one who is not anointed, because the Father dwelleth not in that man) receiveth not the things of God, neither can he know them, for they are spiritually (by the Father) discerned (taught to him)."
If the Father does not draw a man, then that man cannot come to the Father, and then to Jesus as savior. If the Father does not teach a man, then that man will never know the truth. Men cannot teach us, who are chosen to be sons of God:
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." John 6:44-45
