Thread: God does not love all men, nor the World, this is a lie. John 3:16 is mangled by people who do not know the word of God (Elohim).
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God does not love all men, nor the World, this is a lie. John 3:16 is mangled by people who do not know the word of God (Elohim).
Posted : 13 Feb, 2014 12:37 PM
One of the most misunderstood scriptures is John 3:16, for it in no way states that "God loves all men". Here is the verse in the KJV:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The word that is often confused because men do not study the Word of God for themselves, but have listened to regurgitated messages from other men who were not, or are not, anointed of God, is the word "world".
In fact, although the word "WORLD" appears throughout the New Testament, there are two words from the Greek that were translated into one word.
A study of this word will show that John 3:16, where it is used, is not stating "God loves all men". The word which was translated into "WORLD" is "kosmos", and it means "the creation and everything in it". This word no more means that God loves all "men" than it does "rocks" or "ants", which are also part of the creation. So, why do we see so many who profess to have genuine faith, misquoting this verse? It is because of one of two reasons. 1) They are misguided, because they have listened to men, who have put this false doctrine into their thoughts, or 2) they are not believers, and are deceived.
Here are the two Greek words:
1) Kosmos - orderly arrangement of all things, the whole creation.
2) Aion - age of men
Here is the Greek word - kosmos - that is used in John 3:16.
Strong's G2889 - kosmos
an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government.
ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3
1) the world, the universe
2) the circle of the earth, the earth
3) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
4) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
5) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
6) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
7) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
8) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)
Since we know that KOSMOS means "all things in and throughout the creation", it cannot also mean men ---> alone. That word is "anthropos", and it is used in many places throughout the N.T..
If God wanted to state that He loved all men, He would have stated, "For God so loved all ANTHROPOS", not "For God so loved the KOSMOS".
The other word which is misquoted is Strong's G165 - aiōn, which is mistranslated into "WORLD" in this verse in 2 Corinthians 4:4.
AION:
1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity
2) the worlds, universe
3) period of time, age
Here is the verse which is also misquoted:
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."
This verse, above, is referring to Sahtahn, who is not the god of the Creation, but of the age of men.
Now, you know the truth, and can quit thinking that John 3:16 states "For God so loved all men".
6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
7. world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
1. the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
1. the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)
From base word ~ komizo ~ G2865 ~
1. o care for, take care of, provide for
2. to take up or carry away in order to care for and preserve
3. to carry away, bear off
4. to carry, bear, bring to, to carry away for one's self, to carry off what is one's own, to bring back
1. to receive, obtain: the promised blessing
2. to receive what was previously one's own, to get back, receive back, recover
*** ^^^^ It absolutely AMAZES me and I am in such AWE of Yahweh that to Every Word there is a Meaning and in the above definitions� Abba already had a Plan from the very beginning before the Foundations of the World were Created by Him and For HIM�HIS Word and the Meaning of them is so SIMPLE that even a child�women�man� can understand it and BELIEVE it !!!
*** Keep you sight on Heaven and your Heart upon the LORD.
Yahshua�aka Jesus says�
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
*** Those things are happening right this very moment�are yall ready ???...I pray so�lookin forward to seeing yall Heaven :yay:..
*** And Yahshua�s Holy Prophet says�
Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
*** F.Y.I ~ Isaiah isn�t talking about those �left behind��He is talking about those that are Dead in Sin and WILL DIE IN SIN�right here and right now people are dieing in sin�not just back then...but wait it gets better...And the Bestest part of Isaiah's prophecy in this verse is...
The Messiahs Salvation shall be FOREVER and His RIGHTEOUSNESS Shall NOT be ABOLISHED...Why ???...Because GOD said so !!!!....I have the Salvation for I ACCEPT Him�Yahshua�aka Jesus as my Lord and Saviour�Do yall too ???...I pray so...YIPPPPYYYYYYYY KIIIIYYYYAAAA YIIIIIOOOOOOO!!!!!!! X <>< O
God does not love all men, nor the World, this is a lie. John 3:16 is mangled by people who do not know the word of God (Elohim).
Posted : 14 Feb, 2014 04:27 AM
No offense, but this is getting really strange..
Here is the scripture in question, once more:
"For God (Elohim) so loved the KOSMOS that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Are we to think that the animals were in sin?
Are we to think that the insects were in sin?
Are we to think that the rocks were in sin?
Are we to think that the water was in sin?
Are we to think that the dirt was in sin?
Are we to think that the planets were in sin?
Are we to think that the sun was in sin?
Are we to think that the moon was in sin?
Jude writes:
"Yahshua�aka Jesus says�
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.".........
"Look up for YOUR redemption draweth nigh"
"YOUR REDEMPTION"
"YOUR REDEMPTION"
"YOUR REDEMPTION"
There is nothing in this verse about "THEIR REDEMPTION".
That is an Excellent point!!!!!!!!!!
The word "YOUR" cannot be comprehended apart from its contrasting mechanism "THEIR", thus the word "YOUR" is not referring to "THEIR".
This is why the WOLVES are not the SHEEP, nor the SHEEP the WOLVES.
This is why the GOOD TREE is not the BAD TREE, nor the BAD TREE a GOOD TREE.
This is why the WHEAT is not the CHAFF, nor the CHAFF the WHEAT.
This is why the WHEAT are not the TARES, nor the TARES the WHEAT.
This is why HEAVEN is not HELL, and HELL is not HEAVEN.
This is why RIGHTEOUSNESS is not UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, nor is UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, RIGHTEOUSNESS.
There cannot be ONE religion, there has to be TWO, one TRUE and ONE FALSE.
If God had not wanted SIN to enter into the Garden, all He would have done was not create it, nor permit it to enter into the Garden. Why did He permit SIN to enter into the Garden? So that "COMPREHENSION" could take place. Adam would have been incapable of comprehending God, Who He is, and All of His Wondrous Attributes and Being, if it were not for His contrasting mechanism:
6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Everything in this verse points to the Wisdom of God being comprehended by contrasting mechanisms. You would not be able to even think if it were not for something other than you. If Adam were alone, in the Garden of Eden, and no evil were ever introduced into the Garden, Adam would not be able to comprehend GOOD and EVIL, RIGHT and WRONG, ELOHIM or SAHTAHN (the Serpent).
You are to "COMPREHEND" by "TWO" that the One True God created EVIL and the Being to Wield it, so that He would be magnified and seen by His chosen ones, who He had hidden in women's wombs, even before He created anything.
"SALVATION" would not be salvation, if there were not something from which salvation is to occur. In other words, if there were not some that are not going to be saved, you'd not be able to comprehend SALVATION.
HELL is necessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it were not for HELL, you would not be able to comprehend HEAVEN. HEAVEN needed HELL as a contrasting mechanism.
This brings us to those who are being SAVED..
God is not planning to save all men, for then salvation would not make any sense. He had to create the Devil, his seed, so that they would act as contrasting mechanisms to He and His Chosen, before time, seed.
God does not love all men, nor the World, this is a lie. John 3:16 is mangled by people who do not know the word of God (Elohim).
Posted : 14 Feb, 2014 06:28 AM
:waving:...Yup...I closed my reply with Scripture dirrected in another dirrection...looking and focusing on Yahshua...nothing more nothing less...you appear to want to focus on some STRANGE doctrine and preach it hear...no where do I read about Yahshua "Jesus" and HIS Salavation and Redemtion which is the Simple point of John 3:16...:yay:...X <>< O
God does not love all men, nor the World, this is a lie. John 3:16 is mangled by people who do not know the word of God (Elohim).
Posted : 14 Feb, 2014 02:38 PM
The Word of God states that a woman is not to usurp authority over a man, nor to teach a man, and yet you are violating the scripture, and yet you want to call me... "strange"..?
This is exactly what you get, when a woman seeks to teach, what she is clearly not to teach, and this is what you get, when a woman seeks to usurp authority over a man, when she is not to usurp authority over a man.
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." I Tim 2:12
God does not love all men, nor the World, this is a lie. John 3:16 is mangled by people who do not know the word of God (Elohim).
Posted : 14 Feb, 2014 11:25 PM
If what I believe is considered to be "STRANGE", then how is that not connected to my life and existence?
"For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee." Proverbs 23:7
This is exactly why the Father said, to those Jews who He knew were not His Seed in the Messiah's generation, but who were running around telling people that they were God's chosen people - and were not, "Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites (actors), for you honor me with your lips, but your heart is far from me."
Because a man, may appear to be honoring truth, and the Father, with his lips, in his heart lays the truth. One cannot alter that which emanates from the heart and soul, for that is the true man and woman.
Is a man born to be a vessel of WRATH? Then he will live and walk that way all of his days.
Is a man born to be a vessel of MERCY? Then he will live and walk that way all of his days.
"A leopard cannot change his spot, nor an Ethiopian his color"
You cannot change that purpose for which the Father hath made you.
God does not love all men, nor the World, this is a lie. John 3:16 is mangled by people who do not know the word of God (Elohim).
Posted : 17 Feb, 2014 07:06 AM
Romans 5
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.) 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
All have sinned and were placed under death. All those who have sinned can be restored to life through Christ. It's logically consistent, Christ died for all men who were under condemnation. God loves all men, yes, even His enemies.
Matthew 5
43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Jesus tells us to love our enemies so that our love will be perfect like God's love is. Under your theory, God's love is less than even a "publican's" love. At least a publican reciprocates love to others.
