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Two kinds of repentance
Posted : 17 Feb, 2014 02:20 AM

"Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret�but worldly sorrow brings death." 2 Corinthians 7:10





There are two kinds of repentance which need to be carefully

distinguished from each other, though they are often sadly

confounded�evangelical repentance, and legal repentance. Cain, Esau, Saul, Ahab, Judas, all repented�but their repentance was the remorse of natural conscience�not the godly sorrow of a broken heart and a contrite spirit. They trembled before God as an angry judge�but were not melted into contrition before Him as a forgiving Father. They neither hated their sins nor forsook them�they neither loved holiness nor sought it. Cain went out from the presence of the Lord�Esau plotted Jacob's death�Saul consulted the witch of Endor�Ahab put honest Micaiah into prison�and Judas hanged himself. How different from this forced and false repentance of a reprobate, is the repentance of a child of God�that true

repentance for sin, that godly sorrow, that holy mourning which flows from the Spirit's gracious operations. This repentance does not spring from a sense of the wrath of God in a broken law�but from His mercy in a blessed gospel�from a view by faith of the sufferings of Christ in the garden and on the cross�from a manifestation of pardoning love�and is always attended with self-loathing and self-abhorrence, with deep and unreserved confession of sin and forsaking it, with most hearty, sincere, and earnest petitions to be kept from all evil, and a holy longing to live to the praise and glory of God.



J. C. PHILPOT

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Two kinds of repentance
Posted : 17 Feb, 2014 04:58 AM

Hello:



Repentance,repenting:Without the Holy Spirit empowering a person to repent there will not be any repentance.



English-Repentance

Greek- metanoia



G3341

μετάνοια

metanoia

Thayer Definition:

1) a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G3340



G3340

μετανοέω

metanoeō

Thayer Definition:

1) to change one�s mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one�s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one�s past sins

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G3326 and G3539



G3326

μετά

meta

Thayer Definition:

1) with, after, behind

Part of Speech: preposition

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: a primary preposition (often used adverbially)



G3539

νοιέω

noieō

Thayer Definition:

1) to perceive with the mind, to understand, to have understanding

2) to think upon, heed, ponder, consider

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G3563



G3563

νοῦς

nous

Thayer Definition:

1) the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining

1a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding

1b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil

1c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially

2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: probably from the base of G1097





From what is a person to be repenting of, sin or their UNBELIEF towards GOD Almighty?

Act_20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.





If i repent of sin ONLY and not the unbelief from which ALL sin has its roots,then have i actually repented of anything.



In the following story one branch represents just one sin,and the tap root represents unbelief.



Take a landscaper,the landscaper wants to remove a 50 foot oak tree from their residence;so the landscaper says to themself,hmmmm i need to remove this tree as the leaves block the gutters when there is rain, so i will remove a branch from the tree the first day of each month until the tree has been taken down.

The first month the landscaper removes one branch the first day of the month,then they wait for the first day of the next month and every month afterwards.

After one year the landscaper has removed 12 branches,yet in the place of 2 of the branches which had been removed the branch has grown back,along with 5 other branches .

After 2 years the landscaper sees that their efforts have amounted to nothing,as there are more branches on the tree after removing branches then there had been before removing branches.



The landscaper then says,hmmmmm,my best efforts at removing the tree have been for nothing seeing the tree now has now more branches before i started removing branches.

The landscaper now thinks about the tree,and says what will happen if i remove the ' TAP ROOT ' ( unbelief).

The landscaper cuts and removes the tap root,and in a 2 weeks they notice the tree is beginning to wither.

A person can spend the rest of their life repenting from sin and never be delivered from sin.

Yet if this same person were to repent of their UNBELIEF towards YHWH and His Word there will be great deliverance,and that sin will not be seen in the persons life.



Remember 'sin' is the consequence of UNBELIEF,remember Adam and Eve.

Why did they sin,BECAUSE they did not believe what GOD Almighty had to say.

Gen 2:16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Eating you may eat of every tree in the garden;

Gen 2:17 but of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you may not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die.



Shalom



Yes there are two types of repentance,mans so called repentance of sin,or Biblical repentance which has the Power of the Holy Spirit to repent of Unbelief towards GOD Almighty and His Word.

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Posted : 17 Feb, 2014 05:25 AM

No, this is not doctrinally accurate, for ONLY God can grant repentance; man is incapable, as dust, to empower himself unto repentance.



This teaching is what led to the TWO GOSPELS:



1) That man is dead and must be regenerated, by Divine enabling grace, else he will remain in his fallen (dead) condition. (TRUTH)



2) That man did not fully die in his sin, but retained the ability to control his will, and to demonstrate free will, and "choose" to be born again, thereby nullifying the gift of grace to the chosen alone.



It is very strange that you (Donna) claiming to be a Calvinist, would set forth this premise that Judas repented, as written - erroneously in the KJV. This teaching originated out of "Pelagianism", which purports that man did not die in "the day that thou wast created" as God had said, but that the human will retained (which there is no proof of) the ability to judge and choose between good and evil.



Whether or not you comprehend this, you are calling the Word of God "a lie", for as Peter pointed out in 2 Peter 3:9, man did die in the "one thousand year period", which is considered a day to the LORD. Adam, who died at 930, nor any other man ever lived beyond 1,000 years. This warped doctrine of the Devil's Seed, is what has led to the notion that man has a free will, and that Judas - himself - "repented".



The word which has been translated into "repentance" actually means "that Judas had second thoughts about his betrayal of the Messiah - and returned the 30 pieces of silver; and that as a result of his traitorous act, which he knew had destroyed his life forever, he went and hung himself".



For you to claim that Judas was granted repentance by God, and then went and hung himself in spite of being forgiven, is blasphemous.



Here is the verse which states, that God grants repentance, leading to eternal life:



"When they heard these things they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, 'then hath God also to the gentiles granted repentance unto life."

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Posted : 19 Feb, 2014 11:49 AM

"but that the human will retained (which there is no proof of) the ability to judge and choose between good and evil."





Genesis 3

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.



Jonah 3

4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.



Looks like proof to me, directly from the mouth of God. God drove men out of the garden precisely because they knew both good and evil. The people of Nineveh recognized their evil and turned from it and God spared them.



Luke 11

11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father , will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?



Now, I would like you to provide proof that men have lost their will. Being dead in sin has nothing to do with will. Repentance and forgiveness and salvation is still entirely and completely God's work. We cannot save ourselves, there is life only in Christ, without Him we are dead in sin. We can only have faith, and by faith we have access into grace thru Christ, the author and finisher of that faith.



Romans 5

1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.





:peace::peace:

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