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the wisdom of women trying to subjugate and dominate men
Posted : 18 Feb, 2014 06:26 PM
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". 2 Tim 3:16
Why are these scriptures - below - not popular with women today, and churches which claim to be teaching the Word of God?:
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the churches" I Cor 14:34-35
"Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the LORD." Eph 5:22
"and the wife see that she reverence her husband." Eph 5:33
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." 1 Tim 2:11-12
"That they (women) may teach the younger women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, that the Word of God be not blasphemed." Titus 2:4-5
You show me a woman who will argue with a man about the Word of God, and I will show you a woman who is not obedient to the Word, and possibly not even a true believer.
Why are women who claim to be believers not obeying the Word of God?
Women are to obey men, period. This is how a woman will know a true man of God, for he will desire for her to obey the authority of the scripture, and therein shall there be peace in their lives and home. Two heads cannot rule!
Why is it that we are seeing more than ever before the belief that women are to be equal to men, and even to share in the rule of the household and family? Where has the rule of the man, or "Patriarchy" gone?
It is no wonder that the families are so broken up, when women and men enter into what they believe are biblical unions, which do not in any way mimic the lives of the people written of in the scripture.
Why is it that these women seek-out churches, which are no churches at all, but synagogues of the Devil, which support the false doctrine that women are not bound to obey the scripture, somehow, today?
These are those of which it is written, seek ministers to tickle their ears. The ministers in order to promote the appearance that they are anointed men of God, will tell women anything, to have them come to "their churches", and drop a few Babylonian coins into the plate. This is how the economy of Caesar (the State) operates. The women are used as bait, and the men follow willy-nilly to their doom.
These men who are manipulated by these strong-willed women are blind, as are the women, and they do not know any difference either. This is what is meant by "the blind leading the blind, both will fall into the ditch".
I was thinking about (tongue in cheek) coming out with a version of the Bible which will have detachable verses of scripture, so that when these hypocrites who do not like a certain verse, they can just tear it out and the place where the verse was will just be blank. This is in effect how Christianity has come to have over 32,000 denominations in it. They are using Bibles which have the same number of verses, but each is passing over those which they do not like.
True women of God are known to be women of God because they will abandon their views of life, and accept the life that comes through obedience to the scripture, as is written, and a man, if God is pleased to place one in their lives.
The belief that a woman can teach a man contradicts and undermines the doctrines of Patriarchy, (Father rule) and seeks to replace them with Polyarchy (many rule), which is in reality Dualism, aka Sahtahnism.
Sahtahnism, which is the belief that the rule of the universe involves more than one deity, is never more clearly seen, than in women trying to make the rules, not only for their lives, but also as to if they will be in a relationship with any man. In other words, men, when you see a woman who wants to dictate, first of all, she does not even believe in God, and secondly, she intends to rule over you and subjugate you, which will therein prove that your faith in God is not genuine, for you are commanded to rule over her, and she is commanded to be obedient unto you, and to submit to you.
How can you be obedient to the scripture, and submit to her seeking to demonstrate dominant control? Think about it..
Who cares what a woman wants, or a man? How about just obeying what is written in the scripture?
"To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20
You show me a woman who wants to teach a man, and I will show you a woman who will adjust the scripture, if only in her mind, so that she is not obedient nor submissive to the man, but left in control.
How else is a man of God to comprehend that they are to rule over a woman who is to be their wife, if it were not for the imposters who are trying to pass themselves off as mature women of God seeking to find a husband (one that they can control and dominate)? They are not even trusting God to lead a true son of God to them, they want what they are telling themselves is a man of God, when he is the Devil's seed masquerading as a believer. There is no guarantee that God will send a man to a woman, or will send a woman to a man. This is why we see people, both men and women, who have come out of relationships of their own making, continue doing the same things over and over again; they are not true believers.
the wisdom of women trying to subjugate and dominate men
Posted : 18 Feb, 2014 09:07 PM
Ephesians 5 (NKJV)
Walk in Love
1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Walk in Light
8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit[b] is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. 13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. 14 Therefore He says:
�Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light.�
Walk in Wisdom
15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise, 16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[[[[ 21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.[c] ]]]]
Marriage�Christ and the Church
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body,[d] of His flesh and of His bones. 31 �For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.�[e] 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Footnotes:
a.Ephesians 5:5 NU-Text reads For know this.
b.Ephesians 5:9 NU-Text reads light.
c.Ephesians 5:21 NU-Text reads Christ.
d.Ephesians 5:30 NU-Text omits the rest of this verse.
the wisdom of women trying to subjugate and dominate men
Posted : 19 Feb, 2014 11:06 AM
Who is a woman's master? If a man commands a woman to disobey Christ/scripture, what is a woman to do? If a man tries to teach a woman error, should she submit and continue in ignorance?
Luke 10
41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
Luke 7
40And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. 41There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. 42And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? 43Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. 44And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. 45Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. 46My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. 47Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. 48And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. 49And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 50And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Matthew 26
8But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste? 9For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. 10When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. 11For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. 12For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial. 13Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.
John 4
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. 27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her? 28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men, 29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.
John 8
10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 11
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. 28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
Jesus is the master of every believer. More than a man or husband. More than Paul. A woman can evangelize, expound on scripture, and even teach under the authority of a man, and what better man than Jesus? I do agree that leadership positions are reserved for Christ-like men as a safeguard of the family/church and as a symbol of our relationship with Christ, but I do not believe that regulates women to hide at home and wait for their husbands to show them the truth. They need to get that from God, and they must share it with the world. It is their duty, just like it is mine.
By the way, this is what a Christ-like man should be as a leader.
1 Tim.
1This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1 Peter 5
1The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
the wisdom of women trying to subjugate and dominate men
Posted : 19 Feb, 2014 06:07 PM
Hey E-Z:
Why are you picking on women,i will stand for them against you ravenous outburst.
I do believe you and a host of others do not understand the Word of GOD,as you will not Translate the Word from Greek into English.
The translators had their own little prejudices when translating the Word,some where political,others personal,some monetary,others to control,just read the translations and you will see this yourself.
Now let us translate the FIRST Scripture you have pasted.
Before doing that let us look into 1st Corinthians 14:23-25,and let us look at certain words ok.
1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
How about the word "ALL',does this include women,or is this just for men only.
Next 1st Corinthians 14:26
(LITV) Then what is it, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, he has a teaching, he has a language, he has a revelation, he has an interpretation. Let all things be for building up.
Paul addresses the ENTIRE body of believers,does this not include women,or is this for men only.
Notice 'EACH OF YOU', does this include women,or is this for men only.
Now for this Scripture
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the churches" I Cor 14:34-35
The word 'SILENCE' does not mean to not speak.
This word means to hold ones peace.
G4601
σιγάω
sigaō
Thayer Definition:
1) to keep silence, hold one�s peace
2) to be kept in silence, be concealed
In order to hold ones peace does not one need to be talking.
Hey E-Z leave the women alone,trust Messiah with them,and learn to translate the Scriptures.
the wisdom of women trying to subjugate and dominate men
Posted : 20 Feb, 2014 09:02 AM
Also, Paul's letters were targeted to specific churches. In some of these churches, the surrounding culture was particularly pronounced, and from the sounds of it, some of the women were actively and aggressively usurping authority instead of humbly leading by example, so there is that to consider as well. I do think that God intended for men to be leaders, but He did not intend for them to be repressive tyrants. They're supposed to be gentle and humble, leading by Christ's example and serving everyone. The servants are the leaders in the body of Christ, not the dictators.
