Thread: DUALISM is about two deities having the same powers and abilities..
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DUALISM is about two deities having the same powers and abilities..
Posted : 3 Aug, 2014 02:22 PM
Dualism is an ancient heresy that is present in modern Christianity and Judaism, which teaches men that GOD and SAHTAHN rule the world together..
There is no clearer doctrine which supports DUALISM, than is found in MEN TEACHING WOMEN and WOMEN TEACHING MEN, or "EQUAL RIGHTS"..
Think about it, DUALISM is the notion that God and Sahtahn are equal.
An example of DUALISM would be, that if you were to awake tomorrow and discover that during the night every bar and liquor store in the world had been destroyed, the adherent to DUALISM would ascribe that to "GOD DID THIS". On the other hand if you were to awake tomorrow and discover that all churches had been destroyed, the adherent of DUALISM would attribute this to "THE DEVIL HAS ATTACKED US!"
It is purely ludicrous for a woman to say that a man who believes that a woman is not to teach, believe in DUALISM.
Let me make it very clear, that I believe in "PATRIARCHY" or "Abba Rule". I do not believe in "POLYARCHY" or "many rule.."
I believe in Genesis 3:15, that the man is to rule the woman, not that both are to "share rule", which is what dualism is:
"And he shall rule over you!"
Just because I point out that there are TWO TORAHS, does that mean that I believe in DUALISM?
No!
Here is the scripture which proves, not only that I am correct about the scripture supporting TWO TORAHS, but that Paul the apostle obviously believed the same:
"For I delight in the LAW/TORAH after the inward man: But I see another LAW/TORAH in my members, warring against the LAW/TORAH of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the LAW/TORAH of sin which is in my members." Romans 7:23-24
"For the LAW/TORAH of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the LAW/TORAH of sin and death." Romans 8:2
These scriptures prove that there are TWO TORAHS, and that Christianity and Judaism neither comprehend that there are TWO TORAHS.
Since we know that the Word "TORAH", which was translated into "LAW" in the Old Testament means "INSTRUCTION", we see that there are two natures warring in man, as Paul wrote.
Another excellent way to write those two scriptures would be:
"For I delight in the INSTRUCTION after the inward man: But I see another INSTRUCTION in my members, warring against the INSTRUCTION of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the INSTRUCTION of sin which is in my members." Romans 7:23-24
"For the INSTRUCTION of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the INSTRUCTION of sin and death." Romans 8:2
Do you think that it is the fact, that the Word is to be listened to, is because it is SPOKEN INSTRUCTION..?
DUALISM is about two deities having the same powers and abilities..
Posted : 3 Aug, 2014 07:57 PM
Jude writes: "Wow!! The Two Torahs now?"
What do you think all of the arguing in the Temple was about at Jerusalem..?
One of the biggest doctrinal arguments, at Jerusalem, concerned Isaiah 11:1, and the word "branch", which is translated from the Hebrew NZR, or "netser", which caused the believers to state that Mashiach was "Ntzrim". There were constant arguments over this term:
"For we have found this man (Paul) to be a pestilent fellow, and a mover of seditions among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the Nazarene sect." Acts 24:5
The true saints, were Ntzrim believers, who believed that they were the branches (Isaish 11:1), and the watchmen (Jer 31:6). For the first time, when Yshua came, He told the world that God (Elohim)_ was his Father. The Jews countered that God has no offspring, and that He is monotheistic. The Jews to this day claim that YHWH has no son or sons, or offspring.
Are you stating that there were not two opposing opinions as to what the scriptures meant at Jerusalem..?
"I do what I have seen of my Father, and ye do that which ye have seen with your father." John 8:38
Most women are totally ignorant of the true meaning of Torah, because it is taught by the Father to His sons in every generation. Torah can only be taught to a woman by her husband, who is the Father dwelling in a man:
"Let your women keep silence in the church. And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home."
Only those who obey the teachings of Torah can comprehend the sanctification which occurs through obedience.
DUALISM is about two deities having the same powers and abilities..
Posted : 3 Aug, 2014 09:26 PM
Im going to be praying for you truesomething.
I really do pray you find the truth before its too late. The Holy Spirit is NOT revealing this nonsense to you so hmmmm ..who do you suppose is???:devil:
DUALISM is about two deities having the same powers and abilities..
Posted : 4 Aug, 2014 01:03 AM
Shared ~ Jude writes: "Wow!! The Two Torahs now?"
*** YUP!!!...sure did�Twice�once here and once on the other Thread�
Shared ~ What do you think all of the arguing in the Temple was about at Jerusalem..?
Isaiah 55:7-9
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
*** It is of no Importance what I think of it as only Gods Word is Important�
Shared ~ One of the biggest doctrinal arguments, at Jerusalem, concerned Isaiah 11:1, and the word "branch", which is translated from the Hebrew NZR, or "netser", which caused the believers to state that Mashiach was "Ntzrim". There were constant arguments over this term:
Mat 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
*** Yahshua was called a Nazarene because Abba said He would be long before Yahshua was born. Doctrinal arguments are pointless. The only doctrine is Christ�s Gospel of Good News. Christ�s Grace through Faith�Refer to Romans 5.
Shared ~ "For we have found this man (Paul) to be a pestilent fellow, and a mover of seditions among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the Nazarene sect." Acts 24:5
*** Yes�in Acts 24 Ananias with Tertullus came to Felix and Tertullus accused Paul�and Paul states in�
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
*** �They� call the �Way� Heresy��I am the Way the Truth and the Life� is Heresy to those that find the Preaching of Jesus Crucified �Foolishness��.and law in this Scripture is Torah and means �Teaching� not law as most have been taught�
Shared ~ The true saints, were Ntzrim believers, who believed that they were the branches (Isaish 11:1), and the watchmen (Jer 31:6). For the first time, when Yshua came, He told the world that God (Elohim)_ was his Father. The Jews countered that God has no offspring, and that He is monotheistic. The Jews to this day claim that YHWH has no son or sons, or offspring.
*** I do not find the words �true saints�, �Ntzrim� or �monotheistic� in the Scripture. The Jews deny Yahshua as Messiah this is true. If they deny Abba has no son or sons then they also deny their own Scriptures and Abbas WORD in the Scriptures�OT ~ Sons of God ~ Gen 6:2. Gen 6:4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7�
*** Messianics and Christians believe the Torah �teaching� ~ OT and also the NT Scriptures ~ Sons of God ~ Because it is written ~ John1:12, Rom 8:14, Rom 8:19, Phl 2:15, 1John 3:1, 1John 3:2�We also Believe in the SON of God which is Emmanuel��God with us� and is Jesus�
Shared ~ Are you stating that there were not two opposing opinions as to what the scriptures meant at Jerusalem..?
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
*** NO !...It is you that has stated that�Opinions are Opinions and not the Word of God�Everyone has an Opinion and they aren�t worth salt if they don�t line up with Scripture�
Shared ~ "I do what I have seen of my Father, and ye do that which ye have seen with your father." John 8:38
*** They accused Jesus of many things in Chapter 8 of John�and Yahshua made it very clear when he said�
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Shared ~ Most women are totally ignorant of the true meaning of Torah, because it is taught by the Father to His sons in every generation. Torah can only be taught to a woman by her husband, who is the Father dwelling in a man:
*** It is not so much a matter of ignorance for there are many men and women that have Not Heard the Gospel yet. Yes!!!...Torah��Teaching� is taught by the husband and there is no Greater than Yahshua Messiah aka Jesus the Christ*. For HE is our Husband and we are His Bride�
John 14:6 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Saint Peter speaking ~ Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
*** Notice�sons and daughters�
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
*** Notice�servants and handmaidens�
*** Amazing is the Word of the LORD!!!!
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
*** �But I would have you know��We need to know that God is Order and not Confusion�
*** Here is Hierarchy as I understand it�
*** Yahweh ~ elohiym ~ Yahshua ~ Jesus ~ Adam ~ Man ~ Eve ~ Women�etc�etc�etc
Ephesians 5:21-23
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
*** �Submitting� �ONE� to another�
Submitting - Strong's G5293 - hypotasso - to arrange under, to subordinate - to yield to one's admonition or advice �
from Strong's G5021 � tasso - to appoint mutually, i.e. agree upon
�One to another�
Strong's G240 � allelon - one another, reciprocally, mutually -
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
*** Yes !!! Wives�Submit yourselves to your own [[[ husbands ]]] ( plural ) As Unto the LORD. And who is the LORD ???. Yahshua�Jesus for He is the Groom and we are His Bride�
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
*** Here is Hierarchy again� Yahweh ~ elohiym ~ Yahshua ~ Jesus ~ Adam ~ Man ~ Eve ~ Women�etc�etc�etc
Shared ~ "Let your women keep silence in the church. And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home."
*** Lets review the context this verse sits in�
1 Corinthians 14:31-39
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
*** �Torah� �Teaching� not law�
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
*** Take a moment to Reflect on this Scripture and 3 questions being asked above and remember Paul is speaking to the men not the women�
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
*** Paul is addressing the church at Corinth about ALL the �confusion� in the church not just women speaking. He is also setting order. Tony�If God wanted Paul to address women to be Completely Quite in the Church it would mean that women are not allowed to Sing in church nor Respond when the Pastor asks for Comments or Questions from the Congregation and It would also contradict what Paul said in the previous chapter�
1Cor 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
Shared ~ Only those who obey the teachings of Torah can comprehend the sanctification which occurs through obedience.
*** Those who believe in Christ Jesus Will BE Sanctified�Will Comprehend and Obedience to Torah �Teaching� will surely follow suit�
DUALISM is about two deities having the same powers and abilities..
Posted : 4 Aug, 2014 12:26 PM
Why can't these complaining women who are not to be teaching men in the first place, put up any scripture that proves that I am wrong, and in error about the TWO TORAHS? Why is it that all this woman wants to do is complain that I am in error, and yet she does not have one scripture to offer as proof...
�Believe me� she hollers, but she has nothing to support her..
Isn't that odd?
Here we have a woman claiming to know the truth of scripture, and yet she is unable to provide it..?
Give us one documentable source that the word "LAW" in the Old Testament and New Testament, does not mean "TORAH", and that �TORAH� does not mean �INSTRUCTION�..
The word "Torah", which means "Instruction" has been translated into the word "law". We even see where Jesus was accused of trying to do away with the law and the writings of the prophets.
Once more, here are a couple of verses where Paul writes of the TWO TORAHS. When you see the word "LAW" in the Old Testament, it was TORAH (towrah H-8451). In the New Testament, it means "TORAH", as well. Therefore we can safely change the New Testament term "LAW" into "TORAH":
"But I see another TORAH in my members, warring against the TORAH of my mind, and bringing m into captivity to the TORAH of sin and death which is in my members." Romans 7:23
"For the TORAH of the Spirit of Life has made me free from the TORAH of sin and death." Romans 8:2
Here is one verse from the Old Testament that included the Hebrew word TORAH (H-8451).
�Command Aaron and his sons, saying, �This is the law (towrah H-8451) of the Burnt Offering. It is the Burnt Offering, because of the burning upon the altar all night unto the morning, and the fire of the altar shall be burning it.� Lev 6:9
�Command Aaron and his sons, saying, �This is the INSTRUCTION (towrah H-8451) of the Burnt Offering. It is the Burnt Offering, because of the burning upon the altar all night unto the morning, and the fire of the altar shall be burning it.� Lev 6:9
DUALISM is about two deities having the same powers and abilities..
Posted : 4 Aug, 2014 05:42 PM
To the one saying the are 'trusaint'
I would ask you to refrain from belittling the women on this site,especially Jude,seeing that Messiah Yeshua has lifted women form being used and stepped on by men.
Now to the issue about women,what will you do with the Word of GOD Almighty.
women are not excluded from the meeting of the Saints,they are to participate along with the men.
The women are not to remain 'SILENT' as the translations state ( verse 34)
rather they are to speak,yet they are to give way to the next person.
1Corinthians 14:26 Then what is it, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, he has a teaching, he has a language, he has a revelation, he has an interpretation. Let all things be for building up.
1Co 14:27 If one speaks in a language, let it be by two or three at the most, and in turn, also let one interpret.
1Co 14:28 And if there is no interpreter, let him be silent in the assembly, and let him speak to himself and to God.
1Co 14:29 And if there are two or three prophets, let them speak, and let the others discern.
1Co 14:30 But if a revelation is revealed to another sitting by, let the first be silent.
1Co 14:31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be encouraged.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not of confusion, but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the saints.
1Co 14:34 Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not allowed to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as also the Law says.
1Co 14:35 But if they desire to learn anything, let them question their husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in an assembly.
Please look into this section of the Word of GOD,and you will find women are as much active participants as men.
Take heed that you do not talk down to the Holy Spirit within the ladies in the Body of Messiah Yeshua.
Mat 12:31 Because of this, I say to you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men, but the blasphemy concerning the Spirit shall not be forgiven to men.
Mat 12:32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, not in this age nor in the coming one.
DUALISM is about two deities having the same powers and abilities..
Posted : 4 Aug, 2014 08:33 PM
Hey true, I have no idea what your talking about but doesn�t the religion your in have women preachers? I mean to hear ya talk it sounds a little hypocritical, walk one way and talk another.
Im guessing you been here before and are well prepared for the hornets nest you�ve dove into, you have heard the saying �he## hath no furry...� have you talked to your pastor about this and I sure hope yours is a man.
Anyways when I read what you write there is these verse that comes to mind and the Lord thought to say this twice.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The irony is you�ll probably get a wife before me, if ya do send me the book your reading and ask her if she has a sister!
