Have you every been asked on a Sunday what you will be doing and you find yourself saying;
Am going TO CHURCH.
May I ask you, are you going to an event to be entertained only to be a fan, not an active participant, because everything has been planned for you to do.
OR are you going to fellowship with the King of Glory and His people where the people of Messiah Yeshua are active participants to worthshipping Him according to the Word of GOD Almighty.
1 Corinthians 14:26-33
Orderly Worship
26What then is it, brethren? whenever ye may come together, each of you hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation? let all things be for building up; 27if an [unknown] tongue any one do speak, by two, or at the most, by three, and in turn, and let one interpret; 28and if there may be no interpreter, let him be silent in an assembly, and to himself let him speak, and to God. 29And prophets � let two or three speak, and let the others discern, 30and if to another sitting [anything] may be revealed, let the first be silent; 31for ye are able, one by one, all to prophesy, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted, 32and the spiritual gift of prophets to prophets are subject, 33for God is not [a God] of tumult, but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the saints.
The difference between the church of men, and the Body of Messiah is that the ' church' does not believe the Holy Spirit has control of the meeting of the saints, that is why everything has been prepared by the so called worship team and the self called pastor for the sheeple to do, and to say.
That is why the church is not of GOD Almighty and cannot be found within the annuls of Scripture within the NEW COVENANT.
Just because you read the word ' church' within the distorted translations, this does not prove the 'church' exists.
Please do yourselves a favor and check the Greek Scriptures in the book of the Acts of the Holy Spirit in order to find the will of GOD concerning His people.
ELDERS, or pastor in the book of the Acts of the Holy Spirit
What is this bizarre rambling and attack on the church of God all about? Of course the "church of God" is mentioned in scripture, indeed, in the Greek New Testament, and it is of God.
Strong's Concordance 1577G ekklesia, the called out assembly of believers, the Church, a local church, the body of believers, a body or group of believers in a particular location
Matthew 16:18 "I will build My church" (mou ten ekklesian - My church) Jesus Christ
Acts 20:28,
1 Corinthians 1:2, 7:17, 10:32, 11:16, 11:22 ("do you despise the church of God?" biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/11-22.htm), 12:28, 14:28,33, 15:9,
2 Corinthians 1:1, 8:1,
Galatians 1:13,
Ephesians 3:10
1 Thessalonians 1:1, 2:14,
2 Thessalonians 1:1,4,
1 Timothy 3:5, 15,
Hebrews 12:22-24,
3 John 1:6,
Revelation 2:7,18, 3:1,14
And of course there is a historical record within scripture of the church, and of specific local churches. It is not an exhaustive history, but there is history of the church none the less.
Have you looked into the Word of GOD Almighty to compare the SO CALLED 'church' with the Body of Messiah.
Just because you see the English word 'church' that does not qualify that ORGANIZATION to being the body of Messiah.
Yeshua makes a distinction between His body and anything that man will build.
Let us look at the structure of the Oranization called the 'church'
What does the church structure look like, may I list in order the structure.
1. The pastor
2. The assistant pastor(Not found in the Word of GOD,made up by man).
3. Deacons
4. The board of elders ( Actually BORED elders as they do nothing, for their function has been hijacked by the so called pastor).
5. A board of directors ( Another title not found with the Word of GOD \, but found in the BUSINESS world)
The so called 'church' says they have a man called the pastor at the helm, because they want the Mosaic style of leadership.
Now where can Moses be found in the OLD COVENANT,with the Elders under him, But in the NEW COVENANT the Mosaic type does not exist, why because the ELDERS are to have the OVERSIGHT of the body a PLURALITY of ELDERS.
Read through the book of the acts of the Holy Spirit to find this, which the self called 'pastors' do not want to teach the people because the will lose their position and all the benefits that go along with the fleecing of the Sheeple.
Now let us look at the BODY of Messiah, throughout the book of the Acts of the Holy Spirit we read about the Apostles going to the ELDERS;
Peter and John called themselves ELDERS not a pastor,why even Peter calls himself a CO-ELDER, interesting.
Now let the Word of GOD Speak for Himself about this matter.
Notice each time the Word Elder is used it is in the PLURAL tense meaning ELDERS not pastor.
Act 4:5
And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes,
Act 4:8
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Act 4:23
And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.
Act 6:12
And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
Act 11:30
Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.
Act 14:23
And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
Act 15:2
When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:4
And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:6
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:22
Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23
And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 16:4
And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.
Act 20:17
And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.
Act 21:18
And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
Act 22:5
As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.
Act 23:14
And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said, We have bound ourselves under a great curse, that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul.
Act 24:1
And after five days Ananias the high priest descended with the elders, and with a certain orator named Tertullus, who informed the governor against Paul.
Act 25:15
About whom, when I was at Jerusalem, the chief priests and the elders of the Jews informed me, desiring to have judgment against him.
1Ti 5:17
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
Titus 1:5
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Heb 11:2
For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Jas 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
1Pe 5:1
The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
Rev 4:4
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Rev 4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 5:5
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:11
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 5:14
And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 7:11
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 7:13
And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 11:16
And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 14:3
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 19:4
And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
Not one time was the word ' pastor ' singular used in any of the aforementioned Scriptures why,
We are under a different Covenant,a NEW COVENANT OF Grace not the law, something that did not exist to Israel.
Now about the 'church' being a business, look into the 501C3 CORPORATION TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
Find who presented that to the 'church' and for what purposes, then you will agree that the 'church is just a business where certain people take advantage of the Biblical ignorance of the sheeple in order to build an empire for themselves.
As far as how we are to be meeting together, ABBA did not leave that up to us to figure out, He has given to us His instructions.
These instructions are found within His Word 1st Corinthians chapters 11 thru 14, and these are those which the pastors will not teach from ,because the people would know that they have been scammed, taken advantage of and fleeced.
Make your choice which you believe is of GOD Almighty according to the Word of GOD, I have, and from what I have written you know my choice.
I Corinthians 1:2 to the assembly of God that is in Corinth, to those who have been set apart in Christ Jesus, called saints, together with all who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, in every place, both theirs and ours
11:18 For first of all, when you come together in the gathering, I hear that there are divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
The first verse addresses them and us, as we are all the time. The second verse deals with believers when they meet.
The "Church, the Body of Christ" is the "Church" when it is gathered and it is the "Church" when it isn't gathered. We are the "Church" seven days a week, not just when we physically meet.
G1577 ekklesia - "from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of member on earth or saints in heave or both):--assembly, church"
I have a copy of Strong's Concordance in book form. The word church is part of the definition in the book, and online. Your failure to accept the use of one of the very definition words; church; and synonyms in general shows a severe lack of understanding of language.
"The batter" and "the hitter" describe the same person in baseball. It is the same with "my car" and my automobile". You among all adults seem to be the only one who doesn't get it.
Do you believe Christ drank the actual vessel and not the wine which was in the vessel which was given to Jesus to drink, "to poterion ho dedoken moi ho Pater ou pio auto" (<------Greek), in Matthew 18:11? biblehub.com/interlinear/john/18-11.htm
Your refusal to acknowledge legitimate synonyms is a distortion of both the English and the Greek languages. (Or should I say tongues? My native tongue is English.) With every post you tear at the cohesiveness of the ecclesia. This is not good, and you need to stop.
Excuse me, but when you meet with other people do you 'church' together, or do you ASSEMBLE together.
Did you even bother to look at the link I pasted, NO you did not. Because you want to argue the existence of something that Messiah has no part of, for the ' church' is not of Him.
You can continue to go to the business called church and be entertained and be told when to stand, sit, breath, pass gas
etc.
OR, you can look into the Word of GOD Almighty,to see what He says about the way we are to be meeting with others
To the Readers and Folks here...Please Pay no attention to this poster..."Differentlyfestiles"...he is in FACT George as in "Gracenotworkssaves" under another profile and user name which CDFF is not to keen on. How do I know this you may ask???...I've been here long enough to read how certain polks post their subject matter...Hello Everyone...God Almighty and the absolutely crude and rude comment of folks p@@@ing gas...is a instant give away George...I know you hate Church and Anything to do with it...and you've Never Edified a single person on this site...So WHY are you HERE ????... To do what it is you do best...Cause Strife and Separation of the "Christians" here..causing them to argue and get upset...that is a tactic of lil stan and has no place here....
Please...I beg you...Review your Motives and Self...
Notice how Paul speaks to the elders of the church at Ephesus.
Acts 20:17 And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and summoned the elders of the church.
33 The silver, or gold, or apparel of no one have I coveted.
34 you yourselves know, that to my needs, and to those who are with me, these hands have served.
35 I have shown you all things, that in this manner, laboring, it is necessary to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
Paul told the elders he had never desired money or possessions from anyone. In fact, he said that his hands had served him and those who accompanied him. The words "these hands" are emphatic. He probably motioned with his hands or held them up as he spoke this phrase. It is interesting that the last words he gave to the elders dealt with helping others. They have an obligation to work, just as Paul had labored. The elders were to help the weak. He is not talking about those who are spiritually weak here. Paul is talking about physical possessions and physical labor. The elders are the ones responsible to give to others.
II Thesssalonians 3:7 For you yourselves know how it is necessary to imitate us: for we were not unruly among you;
3:8 nor did we eat any one's bread freely, but with labor and toil, working night and day, so that we might not be burdensome to any of you:
3:9 Not because we do not have the right, but in order that we might make ourselves an example to you to imitate us.
In Acts 20 Paul set himself as an example of physical labor to the elders. In II Thessalonians, he did the same thing for the believers at Thessalonica.
How is it that you seem to understand what I had written, but others are struck on their 'church' doctrines and policies.
Now Jude,
Show me from the Word of GOD Almighty ( not your opinions),What I have written is not true.
Few of us speak the truth leaving the consequences with Messiah, while the majority will keep silent even though they know the people are being fleeced as the sheeple they are.
Why will you not look at the video link I posted, the guy does a gives an excellent presentation as to the purpose of the 501C3 CORPORATION TAX EXEMPT STATUS the ' church'
So it is you George...thank you for verifying your deception!!!
It is not I or anyone else here that bares the Burden of Proof of your ranting claims for they are your accusations against the congregation of believers here that go to "Church" and yours to bare the proving.
Here is the Word of GOD spoken by Peter and written...verses 1-2 state how the "Elders" aka "Pastors" are to "Shepherd" the flock...the rest speaks Volumes of how we the "Sheep" are to conduct our selves...also what the devil does to us because we are we are steadfast...All Praise and GLORY to the EVERLASTING Father!!!
1 Peter 5 (KJV)
5 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
*** "chief Shepherd" G750 archipoim�n - the "chief Shepherd" - Christ the Head of the Church - from G746 archē - the first person in a series, the leader - from G756 archomai - to be the first to do - Middle voice of (through the implication of precedence) - G757 archō - to be chief, to lead, to rule.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.
13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
Interesting that you should post what Peter had to say about the ELDERS, not pastor,.This is one of the Scriptures i had posted, had you taken time to read thru them.
ELDERS here is PLURAL, more than one,but the 'church' has a pastor, singular which violates the Word of GOD.
Peter call himself sumpresbytus( my spelling may be wrong), or a
CO-ELDER,not a pastor but Co-Elder meaning a plurality of ELDERS having the OVERSIGHT.
John in his 3rd letter calls himself an ELDER, ( older man).
Why are there qualifications for an ELDER but not a pastor in the Word of GOD, could it be a pastor is not as important as an elder.
