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The Elect of YHWH
Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 08:17 AM

Hello everyone:



Election,This is a hot topic on this forum,Yet there does not seem to be much Biblical teaching on this subject.

Yet there has been a lot of 'Finger Pointing' going on,along with an extereme amount of Name calling,and emoticon posting.



YHWHs 'ELECTION-CHOOSING' anyone unto Eternal life is based soley upon YHWH being Omnipotent-Omniscient-Omnipresent.



It is the Omniscience of YHWH which man is Elected,or Chosen.

It is by YHWHs GRACE that 'ANYONE', has been or will ever be ELECTED-CHOSEN unto Salvation.



If we 'DENY' YHWH His will to Choose out from this life,His Elect,His way;

Then we Deny Him to being the Sovereign of all of His Creation.

We also Deny Him to being Omniscient,knowing Beginning to ending.



If YHWH where to leave this all to important task to man and his so-called free wil,then each and every single person born,whether men or women,they would all perish.

For we 'ALL',each and every single person would CHOOSE SIN,not Yeshua.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Everyone practicing sin is a slave of sin.



For by himself, man is completely 'INCAPABLE' of CHOOSING to trust Yeshua to save them from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s).

For without Yeshua 'GIVING' man the life of YHWH;

Man is a spiritual 'CORPSE',completely incapable of anything of YHWH.

Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.







I wil be posting the KJV,Literal Translation,and Youngs Literal Translation.



I will post KJV with Strongs numbers.



I will post some Old Covenant Scriptures along with some New Covenant Scriptures which pertain to the Elect of YHWH.



I will also post the defintions of both the Old Covenant Hebrew word(s) for 'Elect"

And the New Covenant Greek word(s) for 'Elect'



Then each of you can make up your own mind as to what you will believe about this matter.





English-Elect



Hebrew-bâchı̂yr





H972

בּחיר

bâchı̂yr

BDB Definition:

1) chosen, choice one, chosen one, elect (of God)

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by BDB/Strong�s Number: from H977





H977

בּחר

bâchar

baw-khar'

A primitive root; properly to try, that is, (by implication) select: - acceptable, appoint, choose (choice), excellent, join, be rather, require.



The English word elect appears (4) times in the Book of Isaiah.



Isa_42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.



Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.



Isa_65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.



Isa_65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.



This same word 'Elect' is also the word 'Chosen' in English.



Here a few Scriptures which pertain to the Hebrew word bâchı̂yr,which is interpreted 'Elect'



1Ch 16:13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.



Psa 89:3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,



Psa 105:6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.



Psa 105:43 And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness:



Isa 43:20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

Isa 43:21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.



Now for the New Covenant!



There are (4) words Elect-Elected-Election- and Elect's



Of these four words three have the same definition:

Elect-Election and Elect's



English-Elect-Election-Elect's

Greek-eklektos



G1588

ἐκλεκτός

eklektos

Thayer Definition:

1) picked out, chosen

1a) chosen by God

1a1) to obtain salvation through Christ

1a1a) Christians are called �chosen or elect� of God

1a2) the Messiah in called �elect�, as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable

1a3) choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians

Part of Speech: adjective

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G1586



G1586

ἐκλέγομαι

eklegomai

Thayer Definition:

1) to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one�s self

1a) choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples

1b) choosing one for an office

1c) of God choosing whom he judged fit to receive his favours and separated from the rest of mankind to be peculiarly his own and to be attended continually by his gracious oversight

1c1) i.e. the Israelites

1d) of God the Father choosing Christians, as those whom he set apart from the irreligious multitude as dear unto himself, and whom he has rendered, through faith in Christ, citizens in the Messianic kingdom: (Jam_2:5) so that the ground of the choice lies in Christ and his merits only

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: middle voice from G1537 and G3004 (in its primary sense)





The English word 'Elect' is found in the KJV within the following Scriptures.



Matthew 3 verses found 3 matches

Mark 3 verses found 3 matches

Luke 1 verse found 1 match

Romans 1 verse found 1 match

Colossians 1 verse found 1 match

1 Timothy 1 verse found 1 match

2 Timothy 1 verse found 1 match

Titus 1 verse found 1 match

1 Peter 2 verses found 2 matches

2 John 2 verses found 2 matches





Mat_24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mat_24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



Mar_13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Mar_13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Mar_13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.



Luk_18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?



Rom_8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.



Col_3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;



1Ti_5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.



2Ti_2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.



Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.



1Pe_2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.



2Jn_1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;



2Jn_1:13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.



Election:



Rom_9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)



Rom_11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom_11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Rom_11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.



1Th_1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.



2Pe_1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:



Elected:

English-Elected

Greek-suneklektos



G4899

συνεκλεκτός

suneklektos

Thayer Definition:

1) elected or chosen (by God to eternal life) together with

Part of Speech: adjective

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a compound of G4862 and G1586





KJV:

1Pe 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.



Literal Translation:

1Pe 5:13 The fellow-elected in Babylon greet you; also Mark my son.



Young Literal Translation:

1Pe 5:13 Salute you doth the assembly in Babylon jointly elected, and Markus my son.





Now This might be a 'TREMENDOUS' surprize to a lot of those on this site,so please hold onto Yeshua,or rather let Him hold onto you.



The English word 'CHOSEN' is the same word in Greek for the English word 'ELECT'.



English - 'CHOSEN'

Greek-'eklektos'



G1588

ἐκλεκτός

eklektos

Thayer Definition:

1) picked out, chosen

1a) chosen by God

1a1) to obtain salvation through Christ

1a1a) Christians are called �chosen or elect� of God

1a2) the Messiah in called �elect�, as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable

1a3) choice, select, i.e. the best of its kind or class, excellence preeminent: applied to certain individual Christians

Part of Speech: adjective

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G1586





Related Scriptures:



Mat_20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.



Mat_22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.



Mar_13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.



Luk_10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.



Luk_23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.



Joh_6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?



Joh_13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.



Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Joh_15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.



Act_1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Act_1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,



Act_9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:



Act_15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

Act_15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,



Rom_16:13 Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.



1Co_1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1Co_1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:



Eph_1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:



Jas_2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?



1Pe_2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,



1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:



Rev_17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and



Now let YHWH be true and EVERY MAN a LIAR!!!!!

Rom_3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.





Shalom and Chesed

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 02:53 PM

A person cannot 'DO' anything to becoming the elect of YHWH.



Me





:excited:

What, no excepting Jesus as your personal Savior?

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 03:16 PM

@ella:



ella writes:



Ellasays: Great question Angel, and I must ask the same ...







If a person is to BECOME AND ELECT OF JESUS CHRIST,







outside of having FAITH TO BELIEVE in the accomplished works of what Jesus did on the cross?







According to what God speaks in Scriptures... What MUST a person do to become an elect of Jesus Christ? What are the other special requirements or qualifications are needed?







Hello missy:



Me

I had already answered your question.





A person cannot 'DO' anything to becoming the elect of YHWH.







IF-IF-IF you can do anything to be the elect of YHWH,then your election and salvation are solely upon your work,not Yeshuas work.







A person is the Elect of YHWH solely upon the Grace,mercy and Omniscience of YHWH Himself.







Shalom



Me



ps:

Salvation is never depending upon what i can do.

Salvation is completely dependent upon the 'FINISHED WORK' of Yeshua.

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 03:46 PM

:laugh: Misssy?... that's cute:dancingp:

Nevertheless, you still DID NOT answer my question, so let me help you out so if an unsaved person should ask you, you will know according to what God says in His word.

No, we can't nor did we do anything to bring about salvation, God made provision for us to be saved and His elect by His grace, love and mercy. YET, we must RESPOND TO HIS GRACE AND MERCY AND LOVE IN LIKE KIND ACCORDING TO WHAT HE SAYS IN HIS WORD.

Thoughtout the book of Acts, we see examples of the people asking the aposlte what MUST WE DO TO BE SAVED and Peter and the others told them to REPENT OF THEIR SINS so that they might be forgiven, and be baptized in the name of Jesus the Chirst.

God tells us in HIs word and confirms it in the Book of Acts and in Paul's writings:

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? �The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,� that is, the message (gospel) concerning faith that we proclaim; If you declare with your mouth, �Jesus is Lord,� and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, �Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.� For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile�the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, �Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.�

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: �How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!�

16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, �Lord, who has believed our message?�[h] 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing and hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

POINTS:

1. A person MUST first have FAITH after hearing the message of God's gospel of grace through Jesus Christ.

2. A person MUST BELIEVE the gospel about Jesus Christ and how God provided the means for salvation and forgiveness of sin through repentance.

3. A person MUST CONFESS with their mouth that God rasied Jesus from the dead, and He will also rasie him/her up from the dead works of their sins. Becasue confession is made unto salvation. Not that confession gives salvation but it is your testimony of God's grace that brought deliverance one must let others know about. Just as Paul in the book of Galatians and in all of his writngs speaking about how God delivered him. it is the Confession of your faith in Jesus Christ.

Hearing the gospel, repentance, Faith, belief, confession of faith, baptism in obediance to what Jeuss tells us in scripture, and living a godly life-style as according to what God commands are the requirements and qualifications of become an ELECT of the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing more and nothing less... these are righteous works we must do on our behalf, eveything else are spiritual works on God's behalf...

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 04:57 PM

Ella

Twice,I had answered your question,as I would.



Yet you are bent on trying to control even the way i answer you.



I will not speak with you on this post anymore.



Me

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 05:25 PM

The works of the flesh are simply stated as of those that refuse to accept the word of GoD but in pride denying the truth, and then adding to or taking away from scripture to establish their desire to scripture.



Here is an example to say that man has no responsibility or ability to receive the word of God and the walking into the election of mankind.



This is a good example of man: doing as from the beginning of time in Accordance withe teir own will.



Some statements that are of those that operate in the flesh according to the traditions of men, making the word of God of none effect ultimately deceiving themselve.





Faith is a Gift

Man can not respond to the word of God, has no ability.

Man can not please God

It is bondage for a christian to tithe.

Extreme false projection of the sovereignity of God

You have the Gift of The Holy Spirit when you are born again.

Speaking in tongues is the gift of tongues

Sickness is the will of God

Poverty is the will of God

limited atonement

conditional election

man is regenarated then faith

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 06:48 PM

Listen Gerge, let me set you on the right path, cuz I see you're off the hook about now...

Sorry, but I am not posting for your pleasure or gradification. I'm posting for the edification of those who might be reading this thread, and wherever I see error, or a subject matter worthy of my correcting ot making cleaer I IWLL DO SO...

Now you cna call it controling or whatever, but that's your opinions as much of what you speak...

I have no need to control you or anyone else on this forum, you have not one things I feel necessary to be in charge over. So lose your self-rgihteous and self- importance pride... but please know I will be in total control over the Word of God that has been entrusted to me, and when I see or hear error worthy of me correcting or making plain and clear, I WILL DO SO, AND YOU WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER IT IS THAT HINDERS YOU!

Thanks you very much, and Elvis has left the building... so get a grip!

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Posted : 26 Nov, 2011 08:37 PM

Many people do View these biblical topics.

Especially when there is a disagreement on Forums.

It is good that All truth of the Sciptures is posted.

Too many False beliefs on here.





ETcallhome :applause:

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Posted : 27 Nov, 2011 10:42 AM

AngelforLove writes:

"True Believers in Christ; Faith in Jesus alone."



Amen, Angel!!



It is our faith, demonstrated by our love for the brethren, and our love for the Lord Jesus and the Pure Word of God, which proves one is of the elect..



After all, why would Jesus say, "By their fruit you shall know them".., if there was no difference..?



And what does He mean by "THEM"?



Nice comment Ang,



awm

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