...has for the last few days, cause me to reflect, meditate and even seek God's Word pertaining to it! Yet still I have questions of my own, that I wondered if my sister's in Christ had also, regarding this controversial issue! Now I could have posted this on the bible question and discussion portion of the forums, but honestly I wanted to hear the heart of my sister's...first(smile)! I said "first" because I know, at some point, my brother's will somehow want to chime in on their prospective!
Let me say first that I have great respect for women who head their ministries, eg. Marilyn Hicky, Joyce Meyers etc. I can only imagine the controversy, resistance and challenges they all faced when called to step into the pulpit! My question, in part, my sisters is this: would you sit under the leadership of a women of God, who you believed in your spirit has been led to preach the Word? If you answered yes, then suppose if and when you met that man of God(smile), married him and he now opposes your attendance to this ministry, how would you possibly handle this?
Now I know my brothers are going to quote scripture here...1 Corinthians 14:34, "Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak: but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law..."
Ummmm...the "law"! Are we under the "law" as New Testament believers? Again another question!! Can you all sense my quandary(smile)? Well I know this will begin a firestorm! Let the discussion begin...
"Ummmm...the "law"! Are we under the "law" as New Testament believers? Again another question!! Can you all sense my quandary(smile)? Well I know this will begin a firestorm! Let the discussion begin... "
My dear sister no ,we are not under the law but we are under the way Gods ordained things . There is an order of things wouldnt you agree?
Are you in a quandry because you are a woman or because you do not understand the scriptures pertaining to these things?
The reason I ask is because when I realized what God was saying about this: I was not so happy! But by his love and merciful grace he brought me into understanding. God doesnt look down upon women or love us any less (as I first was lied to believe at one time by the adversary) and he hasnt silenced us! God simply wants order in the way that he ordained it
I do not see any reason while there has to be a firestorm. At least not from me! I only want to conform to what God wants . I do not want to be a leader if God does not bless it. I do not consider this dating site a place of worship or church. I do not feel convicted doing what I do on this site. Just thought Id throw that in! :goofball:
Hjmp: I would honor my man and go to the church where he deems that scripture is being adhered to.He is the head of the household isnt he? Well, according to God he is and scriptures says that Christ is head of the man. Thats enough for me to believe that hubbies word is the last if the two cannot agree. The line has to be drawn somewhere and God has settled it for us!
As far as the scripture 1 corinth 14: 34-35 .... It isnt just about women being quiet in which I will address here in a bit .Back to the order of the pulpit and leadership and worship>
Read 2 Timothy chapter 3 my sister . Timothy lays out the lay of the church. Its pretty cut and dry wouldnt you agree?
Corinthians 14:34-35 we read, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church."
I think this is talking about women babbling and asking the many questions we tend to ask! I think paul was like "look ladies, can we get on with worship and you just ask your husband at home?" Any man that wants to lay the law down out of balance with this scripture just may end up with pink underwear !:excited:
I do not believe a woman is called to the pulpit! This would contradict the word of God. I do not have any respect for those women who do as God has called a man to do. I think all this came out of the movement where women went back to work in the 50s and feminism took flight. Satan has surely done a great job hasnt he?
During the "worship of the church" women are not permitted by the Lord to teach doctrine, preach, lead prayer . Perhaps the woman is asked to say a prayer by the pastor;this is fine. Gods word does not preclude women from being a choir director or singing in the worship service or teaching women or children in the Bible classes. But they are not to take a leading role over man in the worship service. This command of God is not hard to understand. But some still want to ignore it and do what seems right in their own eyes. The key words here are: Women do not take a leading role and women do not teach doctrine to men.
Women are encouraged to spread the gospel ! It is not a gender thing to plant seeds for the kingdom and lead a contrite heart to Jesus..
I will not even consider attending a church where these things are out of balance.
The word of God is my first and final word. Women should NOT be in the pulpit! The gifts must be in order as well. If there are tongues present;one should speak at a time but only if there are interpreters. Church should never appear chaotic.
God is orderly. Scripture
As far as Joyce Meyers, I agree with this overview. She is yet another word of faith false teacher that is loaded! She doesnt have a home but a compound amonst many other things that disturb me.
"Joyce Meyer is one dynamic speaker/motivator. The problem with Mrs. Meyers is that her doctrine is not Biblical. She does teach some good things but she also teaches way to many things that are not Biblically correct. Like the rest of the Word Faith, Seed Faith, Name It And Claim it crowd, Mrs. Meyers lives an extravagant lifestyle. She has all her clothes tailor made for her and lives in a multi-million dollar home, her husband drives a $100,000 automobile, her and their children all drive expensive vehicles, paid for by the Ministry and she fly's around the country in her Multi-million dollar jet plane when she isn't taking time to vacation at her home in the Ozarks, paid for by the Ministry."
forgottenword.org/meyers.html
http://carm.org/joyce-meyer
I have many other example for joyce meyers heresy. She does pervert doctrine .I you want them I can provide them. When I was still on milk I liked her. I didnt know any better. In fact, I wasnt grown up enough in the word to see that there are MANY false teachers on tv.
Marilyn Hickey is a word of faith prosperity false teacher. In fact she has pen called the grandmother of word of faith movement! I also used to watch her until I started to grow in my faith and God started revealing to me heresies of hers and many others.
"MARILYN HICKEY QUOTE: �What do you need? Start creating it. Start speaking about it. Start speaking it into being. Speak to your billfold. Say, �You big, thick billfold full of money.� Speak to your checkbook. Say, �You, checkbook, you. You�ve never been so prosperous since I owned you. You�re just crammed full of money.� Audio tape #186, �Claim Your Miracles.� Side 2.
�Note: I watched Ms. Hickey teach this very principle via a TV station in Southern California. Ten minutes later she told her viewers that if we didn�t send money, her program would have to be dropped from the station� Apparently, Ms. Hickey�s teachings don�t work."
Another article about Marilyn.MARILYN HICKEY
Marilyn Hickey is a modern female Televangelist known for preaching the prosperity gospel, thus taking advantage of those gullible enough to believe this Scripture twisting nonsense.
Recently I emailed my name and address to Mrs. Hickey to be put on her mailing list. Last week I received a letter form Marilyn and her daughter Sarah with a genuine $1.00 bill in it. This seed gift to EZEKIEL3 Ministries , though quite small was a pleasant surprise until I read the letter that came with my $1.00 gift. Can you believe it, Marilyn in return wanted me to sow a seed in her ministry of $30, $50, or $100! She went on to explain how the previously mentioned seeds of faith could be easily off set by sending only $29, $49, or just $99 along with the $1.00 that she had just sent me.?
I do not want to send a seed gift, because I believe the �prosperity gospel� is nothing more than a religious scam played on ecumenical morons. Marilyn and her daughter assumed that I fell off a stack of NIV babbles and hit my head on statue of Mary on the way down. The scam gets worse! She wants me to send her $1.00 back to her if I do not want to participate in seeding her ministry. With postage and handling I would now be in the hole about 5o cents if I send her $1.oo back.
Before making a final decision on what to do with the $1.00 in question, I�m going to hold onto Mrs. Hickey�s $1.00 seed and wait to hear from my readers on this matter. My readers, by majority opinion will decide what to do with the Hickey $1.00. All opinions must be in by December 31, 2013.
[b]"Read 2 Timothy chapter 3 my sister . Timothy lays out the lay of the church. Its pretty cut and dry wouldnt you agree? " [/b]
I think you meant 1 Tim 2 - but what of the rest of the passage? You seem to imply that this chapter is spoken to all women in general - that would mean that those of us who haven't or can't have a child can't be saved!
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
In the above verse, the word translated 'the man' is anēr which describes an individual man, a husband, not all males. These women were getting out of order and going over their husbands heads to ask questions and it seems to teach their husbands unsolicited. "See, honey, I told you so!"
If a married woman's husband does not prevent her from teaching, then she is not usurping his authority because he's given it to her.
If your husband says he doesn't want you to preach, then doing so goes over his head and would make an inroad for all kinds of trouble.
Hisjoyismypeace - I would like to send you a private message, but it seems your age restriction prevents me from doing so. Maybe if you message me first we can bypass that?
Blondie my sister, you've only confirmed truths I've learned as I grew in my faith and in His Word!! The "quandary" I've had with this issue is from partly being a women, but mostly because when you see these pastors, their congregations seem to always have more females in attendance then men!
Again, even with all the negative stats that comes with the history of these female pastor's ministries, the Word makes it clear the order of hierarchy in the church, yet personal and public failure, whether its' a man or a women preaching in the pulpit is at an all time, dangerous high!! Is it easier to sit under the teaching of a male pastor whose an admitted adulterer and liar, than it is to sit under the teaching of a female pastor who may be sharing God's Word, but is out of order in her position in the church? Has God maybe allowed this disorder, because the so called "men of God" have been so out of order? Something I've pondered for some time!
We all, at some point, have to make a very serious decision when seeking and obeying God's Word of instruction! Most rationalize their decision, but His Word has never changed regarding who is to head His church! I would still like to hear from sister's who earnestly follow a female headed ministry and what that's done for their spiritual growth and journey. Thank you Blondie for your input...that always inspires(smile). Rhet404, I'd like to share with you too! I'll try and send a note or adjust my age limit.
Rhet: No I actually meant 1Tim chapter 3. All of it. Sorry about that HJMP!
That whole chapter is about the leadership which is all men . All men!
How did you get 2:12 out of that?
Which btw as far as 2 tim 2:12 is concerned: You are coming to a conclusion of your own. The scripture doesnt say that. A man does NOT have authority to go in opposition to Gods word. Christ is the head of the church remember?
But then you also think there is such a thing as a transgender christian dont you?
I apologize HJMP. I did not realize you wanted to hear from women who were going to a church with female pretend preachers. Im sorry I bombarded your post with truth. It seems you want your ears tickled in this area. Have at it!
Blondie...no apology needed(smile)! Sometimes when I'm expressing myself thru my own passion about an issue, I tend sometimes not to get to the point right away...a flaw in my character that at this point in my life, I've just had to accept, lol(smile)!! I hope you can too:rolleyes:!!
Hello,is it possible for brother to be an instrument of grace on this matter.
The first error almost all people have is that they assume that the 'church' is of GOD.
Second the person coming out from the 'cemetery' / seminary with a degree is called of GOD, He does not care of nor need your degrees.
Third,ALL of the translations have errors,which the self called pastors will never tell the people, nor will they teach the people how to translate the Scripture,because they do not want the people knowing the truth,as that would put them out of a job,yes to the charlitans called pastors,it is a JOB.
In 1st corinthians 14: 30- 33, the English word 'silent' is used,since the clowns calling themselves 'pastor or leader' will not teach the people to translate the Word,i will give a hand.
The Greek word for 'silence / silent', is 'sigao' ( se-gah-o ),this word acually means To hold ones peace,not to be silent. Read the Scriptures i posted and you will see that the person talking needs to give way to the next person to speak,the section of Scripture starts around verse 26,with the Words 'Brothers when you come together,EACH of you has a psalm etc.Brothers here is not just the men,but the women also.
The whole 'church' thing is not of GOD,but of men,that is why we do not see the Holy Spirit involved,He has been removed and replaced by a person calling themself 'pastor,church leader',and a so called worship band,also not of GOD Almighty.
As far as anyone teaching and having the oversight in the body of Messiah,are not the ELDERS, to be having the oversight.ACTS 14:23 ( Elderss,not a pastor)
The scriptures concerning ELDERS, ( older men ) not a pastor.
These are takem from the book of the Acts of the Holy Spirit .
ACTS
4:5
4:8
6:12
11:30
14:23
15:2 15:4
15:6
15:22
15:23
16:4
20:17
21:18
22:5
23:14
24:12
5:15
1TIMOTHY 5:17
Titus 1:5
Hebrews 11:2
1 Peter 5:1
2John 1(elder
3 John 1(elder
Nowhere in any of the above Scriptures will you find a 'pastor' mentioned,why,because they are not the Will of GOD,and they are just as expendable as anyone else. They have bamboozled the sheeple into thinki ng that the are the most important person in the fellowship.
A woman cannot be an elder,as she cannot be the HUSBAND of one wife.
that was a good understanding/interpretation of 'over his head" as well as 'given authority'. Your right the original greek word in that verse 1Tim.2 means 'wife' more than woman. :thumbsup:
