Author	Thread: What is Calvinism?
mcubed View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 8 Aug, 2013 06:09 PM Forgive me for my ignorance but my understanding of Calvinism is that Christians replaced the Jews� is this what people are referring to when you chat about predestination? I apologize, honestly that�s all I have ever really been taught about this theology. If there is more to it, I�m sure there is, please share�.. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 9 Aug, 2013 02:57 PM Truth is truth The question is will you accept the truth. Your response says truth is not the truth. A sentence in the English language is a declaration, context does no.t change the declaration made. A man is a man no matter how many times a man is called a man thruout the word of God. Jesus is Jesus in every context. The simple fact is God is not a respecter of person's, this truth will not return unto him void, you may deny him, but he will not deny himself. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 9 Aug, 2013 04:33 PM That whole "respecter of persons" argument is very worn out and tired. All that it does is further show your own lack of understanding. "10. There is a third absurdity by which the adversaries of predestination defame it. As we ascribe it entirely to the counsel of the divine will, that those whom God adopts as the heirs of his kingdom are exempted from universal destruction, they infer that he is an acceptor of persons; but this Scripture uniformly denies: and, therefore Scripture is either at variance with itself, or respect is had to merit in election. First, the sense in which Scripture declares that God is not an acceptor of persons, is different from that which they suppose: since the term person means not man, but those things which when conspicuous in a man, either procure favor, grace, and dignity, or, on the contrary, produce hatred, contempt, and disgrace. Among, these are, on the one hand, riches, wealth, power, rank, office, country, beauty, &c.; and, on the other hand, poverty, want, mean birth, sordidness, contempt, and the like. Thus Peter and Paul say, that the Lord is no acceptor of persons, because he makes no distinction between the Jew and the Greek; does not make the mere circumstance of country the ground for rejecting, one or embracing the other (Acts 10:34; Rom. 2:10, Gal. 3:28). Thus James also uses the same words, when he would declare that God has no respect to riches in his judgment (James 2:5). Paul also says in another passage, that in judging God has no respect to slavery or freedom (Eph. 6:9; Col. 3:25). There is nothing inconsistent with this when we say, that God, according to the good pleasure of his will, without any regard to merit, elects those whom he chooses for sons, while he rejects and reprobates others. It is asked, how it happens that of two, between whom there is no difference of merit, God in his election adopts the one, and passes by the other? I, in my turn, ask, Is there any thing in him who is adopted to incline God towards him? If it must be confessed that there is nothing. it will follow, that God looks not to the man, but is influenced entirely by his own goodness to do him good. Therefore, when God elects one and rejects another, it is owing not to any respect to the individual, but entirely to his own mercy which is free to display and exert itself when and where he pleases. For we have elsewhere seen, that in order to humble the pride of the flesh, "not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called," (1 Cor. 1:26); so far is God in the exercise of his favor from showing any respect to persons. - Institutes of the Christian Religion/book 3/chapter 23" Post Reply
View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 9 Aug, 2013 04:47 PM I dont know if or why people argue about God not being a respecter of persons...All I know is Peter said... Act 10:34 � Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: *** Peter realised that Yahweh turned to the gentiles and offered the gift of salvation...remember Peter was a unlearned man...and he percieved a truth about Yahweh and all the peoples in Yahshuas time...This whole chapter of Acts is a really Good chapter...however it really doesn't have anything to do with the Topic of the Thread or Calvinism...xo Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 9 Aug, 2013 05:19 PM Dljrn04, if you are going to quote me, please provide proper citation. Otherwise it is plagiarism. I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 9 Aug, 2013 05:25 PM Mcubed, as you stated..."I did not know Him but I said �SAVE ME�. And He DID!!!" is exactly what Romans 10:13 states: for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. You provide many examples of non-elect persons in the OT that made the choice to follow the God of the Israelites. Every ethnic group has been exposed to the coming of a Messiah since we are ALL descendants of Adam and Eve, and Noah and his 3 sons. Deviations to the truth began occurring after the Tower of Babel when God confused the languages. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 10 Aug, 2013 07:39 PM 2 Thess,2:13 " But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen (haireomai - to take for oneself) you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:" Where does the verse say that God only chose a few from the beginning? I really doubt that Paul is saying that only the Thessalonians were saved. And even if it did, how and why were they chosen? "Sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth"? Isn't that faith? And this brings me to my biggest contention with Calvinism, how do you know that, for instance, I am not the one who is "elected" and you are not just a plant with a shallow root? What evidence do you have that you will not fall away or that I will not come to a knowledge of the truth? Or anyone else for that matter? Has anyone here stopped sinning yet? :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 10 Aug, 2013 08:06 PM "Where does the verse say that God only chose a few from the beginning?" - I believe this conclusion is generally reached from verses like "For many are called, but few are chosen. " - But few still looks like this - "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands" " I really doubt that Paul is saying that only the Thessalonians were saved." - I really doubt that, too. :laugh: "And even if it did, how and why were they chosen?" The sovereign will of a sovereign God. "Sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth"? Isn't that faith" - Belief in the truth is faith - sanctification is distinct. "And this brings me to my biggest contention with Calvinism, how do you know that, for instance, I am not the one who is "elected" and you are not just a plant with a shallow root?" - I pray that you are elected. I have no way of knowing whether you are or not. I also hope and pray that I am not just a plant with a shallow root, time will tell. "What evidence do you have that you will not fall away or that I will not come to a knowledge of the truth? Or anyone else for that matter?" - None. Calvinism doesn't teach otherwise. " Has anyone here stopped sinning yet?" - Not according to the Bible. Calvinism doesn't assert otherwise. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is Calvinism? Posted : 12 Aug, 2013 05:13 AM Ok, but most Calvinists that I've conversed with do tend to imply that they're more saved than I am, or just flat out call me a false teacher and a heretic bound for hell-fire, and the fact that they presume so much reveals a lot about their own heart and belief system. :peace::peace: Post Reply

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