Thread: I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
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I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 21 Oct, 2013 01:45 AM
There is a certain member here who continues to try to play "gotcha" with a few of the other members. She has presumed in her own mind that we don't have an answer to her question and have therefore been dodging it. :laugh: So, she continues to hammer on it as a means to discredit us and our faith.
"I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected..........."
Here is your answer. It is found throughout the Word. It's not a deep mystery. :laugh: We give diligence to make your calling and ELECTION sure. The Christ in us in our hope of glory. We do not rely upon ourselves, some sinner's prayer we prayed years ago, opening the door of our heart's when Jesus knocked, accepting Christ, calling upon his name once, a trip down the church aisle, etc. etc.
Phil 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
2Cor 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2 Peter 1: 3-10
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.
I will not be offering any further comments as these Scriptures speak for themselves.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 24 Oct, 2013 07:57 AM
"Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
We only have access into grace by the faith in which we stand, "if thou continue in His goodness", otherwise we will not stand. Paul even says to "fear" this concept, and to "make your salvation sure" by continuing in faith. So yes, if we have faith, we will be saved, but I think there is a lot of biblical evidence that our faith needs to "persevere" until the end. Why? Because even though no man can take us out of God's hand, if we are not pleasing to God, and if we won't fit into His kingdom because He cannot recognize His son in us, we will be left in outer darkness.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 24 Oct, 2013 07:29 PM
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, �
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.�
1 Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Corinthians 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.�
24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;�
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:�
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,�
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
�6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:�
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
�8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:�
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.�
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.�
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
�12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:�
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;�
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;�
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:�
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.�
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;�
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;�
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:�
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 24 Oct, 2013 07:34 PM
Galatians 5:1�Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.�
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.�
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.�
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.�
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.�
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
�7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?�
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.�
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.�
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
�13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.�
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.�
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.�
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.�
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;�Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,�
�21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,�
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.�
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.�
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 25 Oct, 2013 11:23 AM
I understand the concept of being sealed with the Holy Spirit, and that's why there is a "sin against the holy spirit". You can sin against the holy spirit and not be sealed anymore.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 26 Oct, 2013 04:11 PM
When we are saved, we are adopted into God's family. If we lose our salvation, that means we are unadopted by God...that would be like your parents disowning you (which some churches teach to do). That is not the God I know...He keeps His promises...and He keeps us under His grace.
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Romans 8:1�There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.�
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.�
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:�
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:12�All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1 Corinthians 10:23�All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient:all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Romans 8:35�Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?�
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,�
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 �The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:�
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint- heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,�
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.�
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
�John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,�
17 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 28 Oct, 2013 06:04 AM
Ok, but take the Nation of Israel for example. How many times did God promise them prosperity? What was the condition for that prosperity? Did God break His promise if the people of Israel did not meet the conditions of the promise?
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 28 Oct, 2013 05:52 PM
God never disowned Israel even through their worst times and they are still God's chosen people even though the majority are blind to the truth. �There is a remnant.
God allowed 'bad othings' to happen, captivity, persecution, etc.
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2 Chronicles 7:14�If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 29 Oct, 2013 05:28 AM
But the promises weren't to the remnant, they were to the whole people, but under the condition that they were to follow God's commands in faith. Faith can be lost, faith can be left, and without faith it is impossible to please God.
Isaiah 59
"Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness."
Heb 10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
1 Timothy 1:19
19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1 Timothy 4
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Timothy 6:10
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
2 Timothy 2:18
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Romans 11
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
2 Timothy 4
6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 29 Oct, 2013 05:35 AM
But the promises weren't to the remnant, they were to the whole people, but under the condition that they were to follow God's commands in faith. Faith can be lost, faith can be left, and without faith it is impossible to please God.
Isaiah 59
"Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness."
Heb 10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Revelation 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
1 Timothy 1:19
19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1 Timothy 4
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Timothy 6:10
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
2 Timothy 2:18
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Romans 11
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
2 Timothy 4
6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
I still haven't seen any answer on how one can KNOW, 100%, that they are elected!
Posted : 30 Oct, 2013 08:53 PM
How do you become elected? By accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. By acknowledging that you are a sinner and unworthy of God's love. Because of God's love for US, he sent his one and only son to take on the sins of the world so that we can have that opportunity to spend eternity with our Creator.
Does this mean that once you are saved you are automatically going to heaven. No, by accepting Christ you are asking Him to come into your heart and remove the sin, we focus our daily faith journey on Christ, developing THAT relationship. When you turn from Jesus you break that bond. If you repent and come back to Christ, he will welcome you with open arms.
The 10 virgins and the oil in their lamps. You have to be ready for the bridegroom to arrive. You have to have the oil for your lamp. You have to shine brightly and don't hide it!
