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Posted : 29 Mar, 2018 02:04 PM

If MEN would spend more time promoting, encouraging, and helping their brothers who SAY they have been called by God to be Pastors, Teachers, Apostles, and Evangelist, to fulfill their roles and callings in the church... rather than trying to place prohibition, restrictions and denounce women who have also been called by God to minister the Gospel of Jesus Christ... the church would be empowered to heal and bring deliverance, set free, strengthen and respond more readily to the needs of the people of God.

God is known for doing a NEW THING to show HIMSELF SOVEREIGN, ALMIGHTY AND FULLY IN CHARGED OF HIS OWN WORD AND KINGDOM TO COME.

If He can cause the usual to take place and cause a donkey can speak to a stubborn hardheaded prophet... surely He can ordain a woman to carry His word wherewith, MAN whom He set in charge has failed and is failing to carry out with spiritual dignity, honor and forthright in behavior and rightly speaking the word of truth, which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the church.

So what is the dreadful sin men have projected on women by condemning and denouncing women as being pastors or teacher of the Gospel? Does it means she will not enter the kingdom of God and go to hell? I think not...

So guess what? What if, men who feel so strongly that its a sin for women to be in ministry as preachers or teachers in the church, why don't they try to employ and apply these Scriptures denouncing SIN in the church by the men who say THEY are called of God?

Why don't men spend more time using Scriptures to help their brothers who are ministers in the church to prevent them from committing so much SIN in the church... in God's house and call out these men who do sin?

Such a happening would indeed, take on a different effect on people outside and inside the church, instead of over looking and making excuses for these ministers' sins... and for sure, the church would a better place and stand as God has intended her to stand spiritually strong in these times of evil.

Men who oppose women in ministry and from teaching and preaching are usually in sins themselves .... they take God's place in judging and condemning in a spiritual matter they don't fully understand.. and are slack in matter they SHOULD UNDERSTAND.

Why not encourage your brothers who profess and claim to be preachers, ministers, and teachers of the Gospel, promote and live I Timothy 3 and ALL THE OTHER SCRIPTURE PERTAINING TO CHURCH LEADERS, just as vigorously and heartily as you oppose women preachers in the church, and let God do His business with women who pastor churches?

So if women are in SIN for violating God's prohibition on women being preachers or teachers in the church... are those men who profess and claim they have been called by God to be pastors preachers, teachers, etc, in SIN FOR VIOLATING GOD'S PROHIBITIONS BY COMMITTING SINS (ADULTERY AND SEXUAL SINS ARE BIG TIME UNDERCOVER SINS GOING ON AMONGST SO-CALLED SPIRITUAL LEADERS, IN THE CHURCH AND HOME AS SPIRITUAL LEADERS IN THE CHURCH.

So WHY are so many men obsessed with women preachers/pastors in the church, and are not concerned/as concerned or obsessed with men who commit sins in the church as spiritual leaders?

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THOSE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING GOD'S ORDERS AND COMMANDS AS LAID OUT IN I TIMOTHY 3, AND ALL THE OTHER SCRIPTURE PASSAGES AS TO QUALIFICATIONS AND BEHAVIOR OF SPIRITUAL LEADERS IN THE CHURCH?... Yet, they are NOT cast out the church from their roles as leaders or Pastors?

1 Timothy 3 New King James Version (NKJV)

Qualifications of Overseers

3 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Qualifications of Deacons

8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

AND WHAT ABOUT THESE PASSAGES? I CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 5: 6 Your boasting is not good. Don�t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch�as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people� 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. �Expel the wicked person from among you.�

Just wondering about the hypocrisy men display regarding women in ministry, and don't apply God's word to their own kind or themselves...

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Posted : 31 Mar, 2018 03:06 PM

There are many who quote the following 2 Scriptures about doing the *WILL OF THE FATHER**:



Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the **WILL OF MY FATHER** who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)



Matthew 12:50: Jesus says, Whoever does the **WILL OF MY FATHER** in heaven is My brother and sister and mother!"



But then they never tell us what the **WILL OF THE FATHER IS** in the New Testament or they quote a lot of old Testament words by the Father.



**WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY ABOUT WHAT **THE WILL OF THE FATHER IS** in the New Testament.



John 14:39,40: Jesus says And this is the **WILL OF HIM** who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all those He has given, Me, but raise them up at the Last Day. For My *FATHER'S WILL* is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise then up at the Last Day!"



Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth. You will be His witness to all people of what you have seen and heard.



Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of Me I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"



Acts 915: The Lord said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"



Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"



Ephesians 1:3-10: Praise be to the God and Father of our **LORD** Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing **IN CHRIST** In love He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with **HIS PLEASURE AND WILL**--to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has **FREELY** given us in the One He loves, In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the **FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance of the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us will all wisdom, He made known to us the mystery of **HIS WILL**according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times have reached their fulfillment--to bring all things in heaven and on earth **UNDER CHRIST**!



Ephesians 1:20-23: The Father raised Jesus from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under His feet and appointed Him to be the **HEAD OVER EVERYTHING FOR THE CHURCH**, which is **HIS BODY**, the fullness of Him who fills everything in every Way!!



Matthew 28:18-20: The Lord Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**. And surely I am with you Always!"



Hebrews 10:7-10: The Lord Jesus said, "I have come to do **YOUR WILL** My God. Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor were You pleased with them--though they were offered in accordance of the law. Then Jesus said, "Here I am, I have come to do **YOUR WILL**!" Jesus set aside the first Covenant to establish the second Covenant. And by that **WILL*, we have been made holy **THROUGH THE SACRIFICE OF THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST ONCE FOR ALL**!



John 3:16-18: For God so loved the world that He gave His One and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to **SAVE** the world **THROUGH HIM**! Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believstands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's **ONE AND ONLY SON**!!



I John 2:1-5: We have an Advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ the Righteous One. He is the **ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SIN**, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know we have com to know Him *IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDS**. Whoever says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a **LIAR**, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**. God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him!!



John 14:21,23: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father... Anyone who loves Me will **OBEY MY TEACHING**, My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them!"



John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I an the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father **EXCEPT THROUGH ME**! If you really knew Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!!"



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Posted : 31 Mar, 2018 03:29 PM

There are many who quote the following 2 Scriptures about doing the *WILL OF THE FATHER**:







Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the **WILL OF MY FATHER** who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)







Matthew 12:50: Jesus says, Whoever does the **WILL OF MY FATHER** in heaven is My brother and sister and mother!"







But then they never tell us what the **WILL OF THE FATHER IS** in the New Testament or they quote a lot of old Testament words by the Father.







**WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY ABOUT WHAT **THE WILL OF THE FATHER IS** in the New Testament.







John 14:39,40: Jesus says And this is the **WILL OF HIM** who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all those He has given, Me, but raise them up at the Last Day. For My *FATHER'S WILL* is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise then up at the Last Day!"







Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth. You will be His witness to all people of what you have seen and heard.







Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of Me I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"







Acts 915: The Lord said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"







Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"







Ephesians 1:3-10: Praise be to the God and Father of our **LORD** Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing **IN CHRIST** In love He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with **HIS PLEASURE AND WILL**--to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has **FREELY** given us in the One He loves, In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the **FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance of the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us will all wisdom, He made known to us the mystery of **HIS WILL**according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times have reached their fulfillment--to bring all things in heaven and on earth **UNDER CHRIST**!







Ephesians 1:20-23: The Father raised Jesus from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under His feet and appointed Him to be the **HEAD OVER EVERYTHING FOR THE CHURCH**, which is **HIS BODY**, the fullness of Him who fills everything in every Way!!







Matthew 28:18-20: The Lord Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**. And surely I am with you Always!"







Hebrews 10:7-10: The Lord Jesus said, "I have come to do **YOUR WILL** My God. Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor were You pleased with them--though they were offered in accordance of the law. Then Jesus said, "Here I am, I have come to do **YOUR WILL**!" Jesus set aside the first Covenant to establish the second Covenant. And by that **WILL*, we have been made holy **THROUGH THE SACRIFICE OF THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST ONCE FOR ALL**!







John 3:16-18: For God so loved the world that He gave His One and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to **SAVE** the world **THROUGH HIM**! Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believstands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's **ONE AND ONLY SON**!!







I John 2:1-5: We have an Advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ the Righteous One. He is the **ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SIN**, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know we have com to know Him *IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDS**. Whoever says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a **LIAR**, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone **OBEYS HIS WORD**. God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him!!







John 14:21,23: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father... Anyone who loves Me will **OBEY MY TEACHING**, My Father will love them, and We will come to them and make our home with them!"







John 14:6,7: Jesus says, "I an the **WAY** the **TRUTH** and the **LIFE**. No one comes to the Father **EXCEPT THROUGH ME**! If you really knew Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have **SEEN HIM**!!"



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Posted : 31 Mar, 2018 06:52 PM

**SHOULD OUR LORD'S RESURRECTION DAY BE CALLED **EASTER** **SUN**DAY**??



Easter is a day that is honered by nearly all of contemporary Christianity and is used to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ.



The holiday often involves a church service at sunrise, a feast which includes an "Easter Ham", decorated eggs and stories about rabbits.



Those who love truth learn to ask questions, and many questions must be asked regarding the holiday of Easter.



Is it truly the day when Jesus arose from the dead? Where did all of the strange customs come from, which have nothing to do with the resurrection of our Savior?



The purpose of this study is to help answer those questions, and to help those who seek truth to draw their own conclusions.



The first thing we must understand is that professing Christians were not the only ones who celebrated a festival called "Easter."



"Ishtar", which is pronounced "Easter" was a day that commemorated the resurrection of one of their gods that they called "Tammuz", who was believed to be the only begotten son of the moon-goddess and the **SUN-god.



And the Lord's Resurrection day is now called **EASTER **SUN**day.



That missing part was his reproductive organ. Semiramis claimed that Nimrod could not come back to life without it and told the people of Babylon that Nimrod had ascended to the sun and was now to be called "Baal", the **SUN GOD**



Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."



Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the **SUN**-god Baal that caused her to conceive.



Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.



Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.



Ishtar, who was now worshipped as the "MOTHER OF GOD** and the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**", continued to build her mystery religion.



Read Jeremiah 44:17-29 about the evil worship of the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** by the Jews and God's judgment for this terrible sin. The Roman Catholic Church now copy this Satanic worship and pray to and worship Mary who they call the **MOTHER OF GOD** and **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**.



Jeremiah 44:17-22: The Jews said to Jeremiah, "We will burn incense to the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**and will pour out drink offerings to her just as our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem.... Then Jeremiah said to them, "Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and officials. When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions your land became a curse and a desolate wasteas it is today!!"



They also ate sacred cakes with the marking of a "T" or cross on the top.



Every year, on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox, a celebration was made.



It was Ishtar's Sunday and was celebrated with rabbits and eggs. I



By now, the readers of this study should have made the connection that paganism has infiltrated the contemporary "Christian" churches, and further study indicates that this paganism came in by way of the Roman Catholic System.



The truth is that Easter {ISHTAR} has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.



We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.



The Greek word **PASCHA**is mentioned 29 times in the NT and is always translated **PASSOVER** by all English translations except the KJV. The KJV translates **PASCHA** as **PASSOVER** 28 times but uses the pagan god **EASTER** in Acts 12:4. One of the reasons for this may be that almost all of the translators of the KJV were members of the liberal Church of England or Episcopalian Church which accepted most of the Roman Catholic beliefs with the exception of the Pope and Mass.



The following paragraphs are quoted in Wikipedia:



The name "Sunday", the day of the **Sun**, is derived from Hellenistic astrology, where the seven planets, known in English as Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the ***SUN***, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, each had an hour of the day assigned to them, and the planet which was regent during the first hour of any day of the week gave its name to that day. During the 1st and 2nd century, the week of seven days was introduced into Rome from Egypt, and the Roman names of the planets were given to each successive day.



In Roman culture, Sunday was the day of the Sun god. In paganism, the sun was a source of life, giving warmth and illumination to mankind. It was the center of a popular cult among Romans, who would stand at dawn to catch the first rays of sunshine as they prayed.



The opportunity to spot in the nature-worship of their heathen neighbors a symbolism valid to their own faith was not lost on the Christians. One of the Church fathers, St. Jerome, would declare: "If pagans call [the Lord's Day] the 'day of the sun,' we willingly agree, for today the light of the world is raised, today is revealed the sun of justice with healing in his rays."



A similar consideration may have influenced the choice of the Christmas date on the day of the winter solstice, whose celebration was part of the Roman cult of the sun. In the same vein, Christian churches have been built and are still being built (as far as possible) with an orientation so that the congregation faced toward the sunrise in the East. Much later, St. Francis would sing in his famous canticle: "Be praised, my Lord, through all your creatures, especially through my lord Brother Sun, who brings the day; and you give light through him. And he is beautiful and radiant in all his splendor! Of you, Most High, he bears the likeness."



So maybe Christians should think twice before calling the glorious Resurrection Day of of our Lord And Savior Jesus, **EASTER{ISHTAR} **SUN**DAY**!! Our Lord's Resurrection took place at sunrise, Aptil 5th, AD 33 which is always the 16th Day of the first Lord's month of Abib, and should not be celebrated on the first **SUN**DAY after a full moon according to the first evil Babylonian moon month called Nisan.

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Posted : 1 Apr, 2018 02:26 PM

Another ridiculous quote by a Urantia follower:



"Apparently, the material from Proph about Easter and Ishtar is complete nonsense. All one has to do is Google, "Is Easter Ishtar?" and enlighten one's self."



Actually I did google "Is Easter Ishtar" and found the following paragraphs in the liberal Wikipedia!!



What is 'complete nonsense' is Urantia's claim that Jesus lived on earth 37 years which ended in AD 30; since God's Word states that Jesus began His ministry when He was 30 years old {as per Luke 3:23} in the 15th year of Tiberius in AD 29 {As per Luke 3:1,2} and 3 1/2 years later he became our **PASSOVER LAMB** when He put an end to all other sacrifices for sin as per Daniel 9:27a in the middle of the Last 7 years.



Exact quotes from Wikipedia concerning **ISHTAR** and the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**:



Inanna was the ancient Sumerian goddess of love, beauty, sex, desire, fertility, war, combat, justice, and political power. She was later worshipped by the Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians under the name **Ishtar**. She was known as the "Queen of Heaven" and was the patron goddess of the Eanna temple at the city of Uruk, which was her main cult center. She was associated with the planet Venus and her most prominent symbols included the lion and the eight-pointed star. Her husband was the god Dumuzid the Shepherd (later known as Tammuz)



The cult of **Inanna-Ishtar** may have been introduced to the Kingdom of Judah during the reign of King Manasseh and, although Inanna herself is not directly mentioned in the Bible by name, the Old Testament contains numerous allusions to her cult. Jeremiah 7:18 and Jeremiah 44:15-19 mention "**the Queen of Heaven**", who is probably a syncretism of **Inanna-Ishtar** and the West Semitic goddess Astarte. Jeremiah states that the **Queen of Heaven** was worshipped by women who baked cakes for her.



Early Christians in the Middle East assimilated elements of **Ishtar** into the cult of the Virgin Mary. The Syrian writers Jacob of Serugh and Romanos the Melodist both wrote laments in which the Virgin Mary describes her compassion for her son at the foot of the cross in deeply personal terms closely resembling **Ishtar's** laments over the death of Tammuz.



Early Christians in the Middle East assimilated elements of Ishtar into the cult of the Virgin Mary. The Syrian writers Jacob of Serugh and Romanos the Melodist both wrote laments in which the Virgin Mary describes her compassion for her son at the foot of the cross in deeply personal terms closely resembling **Ishtar's** laments over the death of Tammuz.



Many Evangelical Christians have argued that the modern English word Easter must be derived from Ishtar due to the phonetic similarity of the two words and that **ISHTAR** is positively similar to the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** in Jeremiah 44:15-19 and Jeremiah 7:18!



Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."



Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the **SUN**-god Baal that caused her to conceive.



Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.



Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.



**ISHTAR**, who was now worshipped as the "MOTHER OF GOD** and the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**", continued to build her mystery religion.



Read Jeremiah 44:17-29 about the evil worship of the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** by the Jews and God's judgment for this terrible sin. The Roman Catholic Church now copy this Satanic worship of **ISHTAR** and pray to and worship Mary who they call the **MOTHER OF GOD** and **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**.



Jeremiah 44:17-22: The Jews said to Jeremiah, "We will burn incense to the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** and will pour out drink offerings to her just as our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem.... Then Jeremiah said to them, "Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and officials. When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions your land became a curse and a desolate waste as it is today!!"



The following paragraphs are quoted in Wikipedia:



The name "Sunday", the day of the **Sun**, is derived from Hellenistic astrology, where the seven planets, known in English as Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the ***SUN***, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, each had an hour of the day assigned to them, and the planet which was regent during the first hour of any day of the week gave its name to that day. During the 1st and 2nd century, the week of seven days was introduced into Rome from Egypt, and the Roman names of the planets were given to each successive day.



In Roman culture, Sunday was the day of the Sun god. In paganism, the sun was a source of life, giving warmth and illumination to mankind. It was the center of a popular cult among Romans, who would stand at dawn to catch the first rays of sunshine as they prayed.



The opportunity to spot in the nature-worship of their heathen neighbors a symbolism valid to their own faith was not lost on the Christians. One of the Church fathers, St. Jerome, would declare: "If pagans call [the Lord's Day] the 'day of the sun,' we willingly agree, for today the light of the world is raised, today is revealed the sun of justice with healing in his rays."



A similar consideration may have influenced the choice of the Christmas date on the day of the winter solstice, whose celebration was part of the Roman cult of the sun. In the same vein, Christian churches have been built and are still being built (as far as possible) with an orientation so that the congregation faced toward the sunrise in the East. Much later, St. Francis would sing in his famous canticle: "Be praised, my Lord, through all your creatures, especially through my lord Brother Sun, who brings the day; and you give light through him. And he is beautiful and radiant in all his splendor! Of you, Most High, he bears the likeness."



So maybe Christians should think twice before calling the glorious Resurrection Day of our Lord And Savior Jesus, **EASTER{ISHTAR} **SUN**DAY**!! Our Lord's Resurrection took place at sunrise, April 5th, AD 33 which is always the 16th Day of the first Lord's month of Abib, and should not be celebrated on the first **SUN**DAY after a full moon according to the first evil Babylonian moon month called Nisan.



The first day of God's first month is called **ABIB** which means **SPRING** The first day of **SPRING** or **ABIB** is always sundown, March 20th to sundown, March 21st. And the 14th day of ABIB which is always **PASSOVER DAY** is always sundown, April 2nd to sundown April 3rd each and every Bible year!! And our Lord Jesus became our **PASSOVER LAMB** on **PASSOVER DAY** which is always April 3rd each and every Bible Year; and not on the first Friday after a full moon according to the evil Babylonian Moon Calendar on their first month called Nisan!!



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Posted : 1 Apr, 2018 02:27 PM

Another ridiculous quote by a Urantia follower:



"Apparently, the material from Proph about Easter and Ishtar is complete nonsense. All one has to do is Google, "Is Easter Ishtar?" and enlighten one's self."



Actually I did google "Is Easter Ishtar" and found the following paragraphs in the liberal Wikipedia!!



What is 'complete nonsense' is Urantia's claim that Jesus lived on earth 37 years which ended in AD 30; since God's Word states that Jesus began His ministry when He was 30 years old {as per Luke 3:23} in the 15th year of Tiberius in AD 29 {As per Luke 3:1,2} and 3 1/2 years later he became our **PASSOVER LAMB** when He put an end to all other sacrifices for sin as per Daniel 9:27a in the middle of the Last 7 years.



Exact quotes from Wikipedia concerning **ISHTAR** and the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**:



Inanna was the ancient Sumerian goddess of love, beauty, sex, desire, fertility, war, combat, justice, and political power. She was later worshipped by the Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians under the name **Ishtar**. She was known as the "Queen of Heaven" and was the patron goddess of the Eanna temple at the city of Uruk, which was her main cult center. She was associated with the planet Venus and her most prominent symbols included the lion and the eight-pointed star. Her husband was the god Dumuzid the Shepherd (later known as Tammuz)



The cult of **Inanna-Ishtar** may have been introduced to the Kingdom of Judah during the reign of King Manasseh and, although Inanna herself is not directly mentioned in the Bible by name, the Old Testament contains numerous allusions to her cult. Jeremiah 7:18 and Jeremiah 44:15-19 mention "**the Queen of Heaven**", who is probably a syncretism of **Inanna-Ishtar** and the West Semitic goddess Astarte. Jeremiah states that the **Queen of Heaven** was worshipped by women who baked cakes for her.



Early Christians in the Middle East assimilated elements of **Ishtar** into the cult of the Virgin Mary. The Syrian writers Jacob of Serugh and Romanos the Melodist both wrote laments in which the Virgin Mary describes her compassion for her son at the foot of the cross in deeply personal terms closely resembling **Ishtar's** laments over the death of Tammuz.



Early Christians in the Middle East assimilated elements of Ishtar into the cult of the Virgin Mary. The Syrian writers Jacob of Serugh and Romanos the Melodist both wrote laments in which the Virgin Mary describes her compassion for her son at the foot of the cross in deeply personal terms closely resembling **Ishtar's** laments over the death of Tammuz.



Many Evangelical Christians have argued that the modern English word Easter must be derived from Ishtar due to the phonetic similarity of the two words and that **ISHTAR** is positively similar to the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** in Jeremiah 44:15-19 and Jeremiah 7:18!



Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."



Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the **SUN**-god Baal that caused her to conceive.



Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.



Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.



**ISHTAR**, who was now worshipped as the "MOTHER OF GOD** and the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**", continued to build her mystery religion.



Read Jeremiah 44:17-29 about the evil worship of the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** by the Jews and God's judgment for this terrible sin. The Roman Catholic Church now copy this Satanic worship of **ISHTAR** and pray to and worship Mary who they call the **MOTHER OF GOD** and **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**.



Jeremiah 44:17-22: The Jews said to Jeremiah, "We will burn incense to the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** and will pour out drink offerings to her just as our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem.... Then Jeremiah said to them, "Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and officials. When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions your land became a curse and a desolate waste as it is today!!"



The following paragraphs are quoted in Wikipedia:



The name "Sunday", the day of the **Sun**, is derived from Hellenistic astrology, where the seven planets, known in English as Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the ***SUN***, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, each had an hour of the day assigned to them, and the planet which was regent during the first hour of any day of the week gave its name to that day. During the 1st and 2nd century, the week of seven days was introduced into Rome from Egypt, and the Roman names of the planets were given to each successive day.



In Roman culture, Sunday was the day of the Sun god. In paganism, the sun was a source of life, giving warmth and illumination to mankind. It was the center of a popular cult among Romans, who would stand at dawn to catch the first rays of sunshine as they prayed.



The opportunity to spot in the nature-worship of their heathen neighbors a symbolism valid to their own faith was not lost on the Christians. One of the Church fathers, St. Jerome, would declare: "If pagans call [the Lord's Day] the 'day of the sun,' we willingly agree, for today the light of the world is raised, today is revealed the sun of justice with healing in his rays."



A similar consideration may have influenced the choice of the Christmas date on the day of the winter solstice, whose celebration was part of the Roman cult of the sun. In the same vein, Christian churches have been built and are still being built (as far as possible) with an orientation so that the congregation faced toward the sunrise in the East. Much later, St. Francis would sing in his famous canticle: "Be praised, my Lord, through all your creatures, especially through my lord Brother Sun, who brings the day; and you give light through him. And he is beautiful and radiant in all his splendor! Of you, Most High, he bears the likeness."



So maybe Christians should think twice before calling the glorious Resurrection Day of our Lord And Savior Jesus, **EASTER{ISHTAR} **SUN**DAY**!! Our Lord's Resurrection took place at sunrise, April 5th, AD 33 which is always the 16th Day of the first Lord's month of Abib, and should not be celebrated on the first **SUN**DAY after a full moon according to the first evil Babylonian moon month called Nisan.



The first day of God's first month is called **ABIB** which means **SPRING** The first day of **SPRING** or **ABIB** is always sundown, March 20th to sundown, March 21st. And the 14th day of ABIB which is always **PASSOVER DAY** is always sundown, April 2nd to sundown April 3rd each and every Bible year!! And our Lord Jesus became our **PASSOVER LAMB** on **PASSOVER DAY** which is always April 3rd each and every Bible Year; and not on the first Friday after a full moon according to the evil Babylonian Moon Calendar on their first month called Nisan!!



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Posted : 1 Apr, 2018 02:28 PM

Another ridiculous quote by a Urantia follower:



"Apparently, the material from Proph about Easter and Ishtar is complete nonsense. All one has to do is Google, "Is Easter Ishtar?" and enlighten one's self."



Actually I did google "Is Easter Ishtar" and found the following paragraphs in the liberal Wikipedia!!



What is 'complete nonsense' is Urantia's claim that Jesus lived on earth 37 years which ended in AD 30; since God's Word states that Jesus began His ministry when He was 30 years old {as per Luke 3:23} in the 15th year of Tiberius in AD 29 {As per Luke 3:1,2} and 3 1/2 years later he became our **PASSOVER LAMB** when He put an end to all other sacrifices for sin as per Daniel 9:27a in the middle of the Last 7 years.



Exact quotes from Wikipedia concerning **ISHTAR** and the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**:



Inanna was the ancient Sumerian goddess of love, beauty, sex, desire, fertility, war, combat, justice, and political power. She was later worshipped by the Akkadians, Babylonians, and Assyrians under the name **Ishtar**. She was known as the "Queen of Heaven" and was the patron goddess of the Eanna temple at the city of Uruk, which was her main cult center. She was associated with the planet Venus and her most prominent symbols included the lion and the eight-pointed star. Her husband was the god Dumuzid the Shepherd (later known as Tammuz)



The cult of **Inanna-Ishtar** may have been introduced to the Kingdom of Judah during the reign of King Manasseh and, although Inanna herself is not directly mentioned in the Bible by name, the Old Testament contains numerous allusions to her cult. Jeremiah 7:18 and Jeremiah 44:15-19 mention "**the Queen of Heaven**", who is probably a syncretism of **Inanna-Ishtar** and the West Semitic goddess Astarte. Jeremiah states that the **Queen of Heaven** was worshipped by women who baked cakes for her.



Early Christians in the Middle East assimilated elements of **Ishtar** into the cult of the Virgin Mary. The Syrian writers Jacob of Serugh and Romanos the Melodist both wrote laments in which the Virgin Mary describes her compassion for her son at the foot of the cross in deeply personal terms closely resembling **Ishtar's** laments over the death of Tammuz.



Early Christians in the Middle East assimilated elements of Ishtar into the cult of the Virgin Mary. The Syrian writers Jacob of Serugh and Romanos the Melodist both wrote laments in which the Virgin Mary describes her compassion for her son at the foot of the cross in deeply personal terms closely resembling **Ishtar's** laments over the death of Tammuz.



Many Evangelical Christians have argued that the modern English word Easter must be derived from Ishtar due to the phonetic similarity of the two words and that **ISHTAR** is positively similar to the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** in Jeremiah 44:15-19 and Jeremiah 7:18!



Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."



Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the **SUN**-god Baal that caused her to conceive.



Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.



Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.



**ISHTAR**, who was now worshipped as the "MOTHER OF GOD** and the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**", continued to build her mystery religion.



Read Jeremiah 44:17-29 about the evil worship of the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** by the Jews and God's judgment for this terrible sin. The Roman Catholic Church now copy this Satanic worship of **ISHTAR** and pray to and worship Mary who they call the **MOTHER OF GOD** and **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**.



Jeremiah 44:17-22: The Jews said to Jeremiah, "We will burn incense to the **QUEEN OF HEAVEN** and will pour out drink offerings to her just as our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem.... Then Jeremiah said to them, "Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and officials. When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions your land became a curse and a desolate waste as it is today!!"



The following paragraphs are quoted in Wikipedia:



The name "Sunday", the day of the **Sun**, is derived from Hellenistic astrology, where the seven planets, known in English as Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the ***SUN***, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, each had an hour of the day assigned to them, and the planet which was regent during the first hour of any day of the week gave its name to that day. During the 1st and 2nd century, the week of seven days was introduced into Rome from Egypt, and the Roman names of the planets were given to each successive day.



In Roman culture, Sunday was the day of the Sun god. In paganism, the sun was a source of life, giving warmth and illumination to mankind. It was the center of a popular cult among Romans, who would stand at dawn to catch the first rays of sunshine as they prayed.



The opportunity to spot in the nature-worship of their heathen neighbors a symbolism valid to their own faith was not lost on the Christians. One of the Church fathers, St. Jerome, would declare: "If pagans call [the Lord's Day] the 'day of the sun,' we willingly agree, for today the light of the world is raised, today is revealed the sun of justice with healing in his rays."



A similar consideration may have influenced the choice of the Christmas date on the day of the winter solstice, whose celebration was part of the Roman cult of the sun. In the same vein, Christian churches have been built and are still being built (as far as possible) with an orientation so that the congregation faced toward the sunrise in the East. Much later, St. Francis would sing in his famous canticle: "Be praised, my Lord, through all your creatures, especially through my lord Brother Sun, who brings the day; and you give light through him. And he is beautiful and radiant in all his splendor! Of you, Most High, he bears the likeness."



So maybe Christians should think twice before calling the glorious Resurrection Day of our Lord And Savior Jesus, **EASTER{ISHTAR} **SUN**DAY**!! Our Lord's Resurrection took place at sunrise, April 5th, AD 33 which is always the 16th Day of the first Lord's month of Abib, and should not be celebrated on the first **SUN**DAY after a full moon according to the first evil Babylonian moon month called Nisan.



The first day of God's first month is called **ABIB** which means **SPRING** The first day of **SPRING** or **ABIB** is always sundown, March 20th to sundown, March 21st. And the 14th day of ABIB which is always **PASSOVER DAY** is always sundown, April 2nd to sundown April 3rd each and every Bible year!! And our Lord Jesus became our **PASSOVER LAMB** on **PASSOVER DAY** which is always April 3rd each and every Bible Year; and not on the first Friday after a full moon according to the evil Babylonian Moon Calendar on their first month called Nisan!!



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Posted : 2 Apr, 2018 08:12 AM

**WAS PAUL GOD'S **CHOSEN INSTRUMENT** TO WRITE 14 OF THE 27 BOOKS OF THE NEW COVENANT**



Acts 22:24:15: Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our ancestors has **CHOSEN YOU** to **KNOW HIS WILL** and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from His mouth. You will be His witness to all people of what you have seen and heard.



Acts 26:16-18: The Lord Jesus said to Paul, Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you and **APPOINTED YOU** as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of Me I am sending you to the Gentiles to open their eyes and turn then from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they my receive **FORGIVENESS OF SINS** and a place among those who **SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME**!"



Acts 915: The Lord said to Ananias, "This man {PAUL} is **MY CHOSEN INSTRUMENT**to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel!"



Acts 20:27: Paul said, "For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the **WHOLE WILL OF GOD**!"





** WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY ABOUT THE PREACHING AND TEACHING OF MEN AND WOMEN IN THE CHURCH**??



Titus 1:6-9: An **ELDER** must be blameless, faithful to **HIS** wife, a **MAN** whose children believe... Since an **OVERSEER** manages God's household, **HE** must be blameless... **HE** must **HOLD FIRMLY** to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that **HE** can encourage others by **SOUND DOCTRINE and **REFUTE THOSE** WHO OPPOSE IT**.



I Timothy 5:17: The **ELDERS** who direct rhe affairs of the church well are worthy of a double honor, especially those whose work is **PREACHING ** and **TEACHING**



I Timothy 3:1 Whoever desires to be an **OVERSEER** desires a noble task. Now the **OVERSEER**is to be above reproach, faithful to **HIS** wife, tenperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable and **ABLE TO TEACH**!!



I Timothy 2:11: A **WOMAN** should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a **WOMEN** **TO TEACH** or to assume authority **OVER A MAN**!



I Corinthians 15:34,35:**WOMEN** should renain silent in the churches, They are not allowed **TO SPEAK**, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about anything, they should ask their husbands at home; for it is **DISGRACEFUL** for a **WOMAN** **TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH**!!



2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the **WISDOM GOD GAVE TO HIM**. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {To unbelievers} which **IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT**, as they do other Scriptures, to their own **DESTRUCTION**!



2 Timothy 3:16,17: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHEED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charege: **PREACH THE WORD**; be prepared in season in out of season, correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear!!



I Peter 1:23-25: For you have been **BORN AGAIN**, not of perishable seed but the imperishable, through the living and enduring **WORD OF GOD**. For all people are like grass, and all their glory is like flowers in the field; the grass withers and the flowers fail, but the **WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER**!! And this is the Word that was preached to you!



Some women preachers believe that none of Paul's writings are God-breathed, and some believe that most of Paul's Scriptures are God-breathed but these 2 Scriptures could not be. Others believe that these commands by God were only true for the early church but do apply to the present time.



It is interesting to note that women are to teach other women in the New testament; but there is not even one Scripture of a woman speaking in a church or teaching men in a church. However Acts 18:26 shows that married women can teach God's Word to men in their home and mothers can certainly teach God's Word to all of their children at home.



Acts 18:26: When **PRISCILLA AND AQUILA** heard **HIM** they invited **HIM** to their home and explained to **HIM** the way of God more adequately.



There are many who believe that women can teach boys under 12 in church since according to Jewish custom they are only considered men on their 12th birthday. There are also many who believe that women can teach men on radio, TV and the Internet since the men are at home and not in church. However, I believe women should not judge men who sincerely give their exegesis of God's Word on the internet. For God''s Word in I Timothy 2:11 says, "I do not permit a women to teach or to **ASSUME AUTHORITY** over a man."



All of the Conservative Evangelical Bible scholars teach that Paul definitely wrote 13 books of the NT. About 70 percent of Evangelical Bible scholars believe Paul wrote the book of Hebrews and about 30 percent believe that Luke wrote Hebrews. I believe that Paul must have written Hebrews because the person that wrote Hebrews had to have a profound knowledge of the OT Scriptures. And the Jews picked Paul to lead their fight against the early Christians since Paul had such profound knowledge of the OT Scriptures.



Pagan Bible scholars, Jewish Bible scholars like TNT, **LIBERAL** Protestant Bible scholars, and Charismatic Bible scholars who believe that women can be preachers and elders in the church; try to show that all or some of Paul's writings are not inspired by God. They also try to show that Paul could not have written some of his NT books because of the change of writing style in some of these books. However all of the churches had different problems that Paul was inspired to correct. And Paul said:



I Corinthians 9:19-22: I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew to win the Jews. To those under the law, I became like one under the law; though I myself are not under the law, so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law; though I am not free from God's law but am under **CHRIST'S LAW**, so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some!!



This is a very interesting topic that many in this forum will disagree on. I am sure all the true Christians will speak the truth in **LOVE** as per Ephesians 4:15 and pray for those who disagree with God's Word.



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Posted : 2 Apr, 2018 01:34 PM

Thank you Richard for all the Scriptures, could you please explain what they all mean and how you tie them together effectively as being a word from God for such a time as this?

In other words, break them down for me... thanks

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Posted : 2 Apr, 2018 03:03 PM

Quote by ET or Ella:



Thank you Richard for all the Scriptures, could you please explain what they all mean and how you tie them together effectively as being a word from God for such a time as this?



In other words, break them down for me... thanks



Ella: You have claimed to be an Evangelist and Minister for 32 years and have the Holy Spirit.



And so I would think that you would completely understand the following Words of God:



I Timothy 2:11: A **WOMAN** should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a **WOMEN** **TO TEACH** or to assume authority **OVER A MAN**!



I Corinthians 15:34,35:**WOMEN** should remain silent in the churches, They are not allowed **TO SPEAK**, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about anything, they should ask their husbands at home; for it is **DISGRACEFUL** for a **WOMAN** **TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH**!!



2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the **WISDOM GOD GAVE TO HIM**. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {To unbelievers} which **IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT**, as they do other Scriptures, to their own **DESTRUCTION**!



2 Timothy 3:16,17: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHEED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**; be prepared in season in out of season, correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear!!



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Posted : 6 Apr, 2018 10:33 PM

Ella, sorry I took so long. But I can respond to your post with a true story about my favorite woman teacher, Elisabeth Elliot, who illustrates the appropriate application of all the Scripture you mentioned except for the one from Acts. Elisabeth and her husband were missionaries to the Auca Indians who eventually murdered her husband. Elisabeth decided to return to the Aucas and tell them about Jesus and the forgiveness of sin. Yes, she taught the people, including the men, about her forgiveness of them for killing her husband, thus illustrating the forgiveness of Jesus. So of course, she was acting in perfect accord with 1Cor11:5 scripture. But please note the context of 1Cor11:5 is different from the context of 1Cor14 and the context from Timothy, both of which address the body (the Church coming together) in corporate worship.

Ok, as time passed, Elisabeth'a work among the Aucas bore fruit. Many believed her message and were brought to repentance. They also learned about becoming members of Christ's body, his universal church. After learning about the order of the church as declared by Paul, they immediately wanted Elisabeth to be their overseer, but Elisabeth explained the Scripture concerning male leadership. So she declined their request, saying that she is not qualified to lead the church. The Aucas then decided which of their men more closely met Paul's qualifications.

I realize some people, at this point, some men and women may object to what I've written here, but they will find themselves arguing with God, not me. I just pass along God's truth found in his word, I don't create God's truth

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