I've discussed the truth of the 6 day creation from Genesis 1 in previous threads. I believe the truth of Genesis one is so incredibly clear that it hardly requires commentary. But others do not agree, they want to include Secular Humanist commentary to explain Genesis one. They believe God must have used evolutionary processes to create the earth in its very beginning. Still others, who shun evolution, accept evolutionary premises i.e. a millions of years old earth and universe. They also believe millions of years of death and dying took place on a prehistoric "old earth" long before Adam sinned. I object all Humanistic explanation of origins and it's evolutionary theories because they contradict the clear teaching found in Genesis one.
Actually David Genesis 1:1,2 and Jeremiah 4:23-28 are a **PERFECT MATCH**!!
Genesis 1:1,2: In the beginning God created the heavens an the earth. now the earth was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, **DARKNESS** {See Jeremiah 4:23-28 below!!} was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the **WATERS!**
Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light!" ... and there was evening, and there was morning__ the **FIRST DAY** {Off God's 6-day Creation on the earth}
Does God's word say that the present earth was ever **FORMLESS AND EMPTY** with **DARKNESS**???
Jeremiah 4:23-28: The Lord Almighty said, "I looked at the earth and it was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, and at the heavens, and their **LIGHT WAS GONE**.I looked at the mountains, and they were quaking; all the hills were swaying. I looked and there were no people, every bird in the sky **HAD FLOWN AWAY**. I looked and the **FRUITFUL LAND HAD BECOME A DESERT**; all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord, before His fierce anger!" This is what the Lord says, The whole land will be ruined, though I will **NOT DESTROY IT COMPLETELY**, Therefore the earth will mourn and the **HEAVENS ABOVE GROW ** DARK**, because I have spoken and will not relent, I have decided and will not turn back!!"
Prophetic 7744: "Does God's word say that the present earth was ever **FORMLESS AND EMPTY** with **DARKNESS**??? Jeremiah 4:23-28: The Lord Almighty said, "I looked at the earth and it was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, and at the heavens, and their **LIGHT WAS GONE**.I looked at the mountains, and they were quaking; all the hills were swaying. I looked and there were no people, every bird in the sky **HAD FLOWN AWAY**. I looked and the **FRUITFUL LAND HAD BECOME A DESERT**; all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord, before His fierce anger!" This is what the Lord says, The whole land will be ruined, though I will **NOT DESTROY IT COMPLETELY**, Therefore the earth will mourn and the **HEAVENS ABOVE GROW ** DARK**, because I have spoken and will not relent, I have decided and will not turn back!!"
So, Richard, are you saying God created two (2) heavens and earths? And you'rr using Jeremiah 4:23-28 to support your theory regarding carbon 14?...WOW!
This prophecy you are referring to from Jeremiah is a VISION Jeremiah had about the JUDGMENT/destruction on the Jews in the land of Judea, there was darkness in the land and the people were in darkness EMOTIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY... BUT YOU MUST READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER if you would like to understand what Jeremiah is talking about... Jeremiah 4:23-28, is the vision Jeremiah saw, it has NOTHING ... NOT ONE THING to do with Carbon 14, as a defense or support in THE TOPIC OF THIS DISCUSSION... or no other carbon foolishness.
BTW what happen to the first "OLD" earth ... if we're living in the NEW EARTH? You have no Scripture support wherein God says, the earth is forever formless and EMPTY... when God created the heavens and earth He said IT WAS GOOD.. God only does GOOD WORK and NEVER HAS TO RECREATE OR REDO NOTHING HE DOES...
FOR PROPHETIC 7744 aka RICHARD
Charles John Ellicott Commentary for English Readers COMMENTARY ON JEREMIAH 4-22-28
Jeremiah 4:22 - For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
COMMENTARY (22) For my people is foolish.�Jehovah answers the prophet�s question. The misery comes to punish the folly and sottishness of the people. It shall last as long as they last, or till it has accomplished its work of chastisement.
Jeremiah 4:23 - I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
COMMENTARY (23) I beheld the earth.�In words of terrible grandeur the prophet speaks, as if he had already seen the consummated destruction; and repeating the words �I beheld,� as if he had passed through four distinct visions, describes its completeness. Without form, and void.�An obvious quotation from the tohu va-bohu of Genesis 1:2. The goodly land of Israel was thrown back, as it were, into a formless chaos, before the words �Let there be light� had brought it into order.
Jeremiah 4:24 - I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
COMMENTARY (24) The mountains, and, lo, they trembled.�The great earthquake in the days of Uzziah (Amos 1:1), of which we find traces in Isaiah (Isaiah 24:19-20), had probably made imagery of this kind familiar.
Jeremiah 4:25 - I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
COMMENTARY (25) There was no man.�To chaos and darkness and the earthquake was added the horrible sense of solitude. Not man only, but the creatures that seemed least open to man�s attack, were fled. (Comp. Jeremiah 2:6.) The same thought re-appears in Jeremiah 9:10.
Jeremiah 4:26 - I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
COMMENTARY (26) The fruitful place.�The Carmel, or vine-land, became as �the wilderness.� The Hebrew article points probably to the well-known desert of the wanderings. At the presence of the Lord.�Literally, from before Jehovah, from before the heat of his anger. The original has the emphasis of repeating the preposition.
Jeremiah 4:27 - For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
COMMENTARY (27) Yet will I not make a full end.�The thought is echoed from Amos 9:8; Isaiah 6:13; Isaiah 10:21, and repeated in Jeremiah 5:18. There was then hope in the distance. The destruction, terrible as it seemed, was not final. The penalty was a discipline. (Comp. Leviticus 26:44.)
Jeremiah 4:28 - For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
COMMENTARY (28) For this shall the earth mourn . . .�As with all true poets, the face of nature seems to the prophet to sympathise with human suffering. (Comp. Amos 8:9; Matthew 24:29.)
Jeremiah 4:29 - The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.
COMMENTARY by Charles John Ellicott was a distinguished English Christian theologian, academic and churchman. He briefly served as Dean of Exeter, then Bishop of the united see of Gloucester and Bristol.
Radiocarbon dating (also referred to as carbon dating or carbon-14 dating) is a method for determining the age of an object containing organic material by using the properties of radiocarbon (14 C), a radioactive isotope of carbon. The method was developed by Willard Libby in the late 1940s and soon became a standard tool for archaeologists. Libby received the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work in 1960. The radiocarbon dating method is based on the fact that radiocarbon is constantly being created in the atmosphere by the interaction of cosmic rays with atmospheric nitrogen. The resulting radiocarbon combines with atmospheric oxygen to form radioactive carbon dioxide, which is incorporated into plants by photosynthesis; animals then acquire 14
C by eating the plants. When the animal or plant dies, it stops exchanging carbon with its environment, and from that point onwards the amount of 14 C it contains begins to decrease as the 14 C undergoes radioactive decay. Measuring the amount of 14 C in a sample from a dead plant or animal such as a piece of wood or a fragment of bone provides information that can be used to calculate when the animal or plant died. The older a sample is, the less 14 C there is to be detected, and because the half-life of 14 C (the period of time after which half of a given sample will have decayed) is about 5,730 years, the oldest dates that can be **RELIABLY MEASURED** by this process date to around 50,000 years ago, although special preparation methods occasionally permit accurate analysis of older samples.
Researchers have found a reason for the puzzling survival of soft tissue and collagen in dinosaur bones - the bones are younger than anyone ever guessed. Carbon-14 (C-14) dating of multiple samples of bone from 8 dinosaurs found in Texas, Alaska, Colorado, and Montana revealed that they are only 22,000 to 39,000 years old.
Carbon-14 is considered to be a highly reliable dating technique. IT'S ACCURACY HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY USING C-14 TO DATE ARTIFACTS WHOSE AGE IS KNOWN HISTORICALLY!!
Before 1960 about 75 percent of Evangelicals believed that the age of the present earth is about 6,000 years according to Bible Chronology from Adam. Because of the proven accuracy of Carbon 14 dating only about 40 percent of Evangelicals still believe the earth is about 6,000 years old.
During the Dark ages about 75 percent of Bible believing Christians believed the earth was **FLAT**. At the present time only about 1 percent of Bible believing Christians believe the earth is **FLAT**!
The Christians in the Dark Ages who believed the earth was **FLAT** wrongly believed that Revelation 7:1 and Revelation 20:8 proved that the earth was **FLAT**!!'
Revelation 7:1: After this I saw 4 angels standing at the **4 CORNERS OF THE EARTH**.
Revelation 20:8 Satan will go out to deceive the nations in the **4 CORNERS OF THE EARTH**.
However Isaiah 40:22 shows the earth is **ROUND**!
Isaiah 40:22: God sits enthroned above the **CIRCLE OF THE EARTH**!
Ella Charles John Ellicott whom you quote was a teacher in the extremely liberal Anglican or Episcopalian Church according to Wikipedia!
Actually David and Ella Genesis 1:1,2 and Jeremiah 4:23-28 are a **PERFECT MATCH**!!
Genesis 1:1,2: In the beginning God created the heavens an the earth. now the earth was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, **DARKNESS** {See Jeremiah 4:23-28 below!!} was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the **WATERS!** {And then God created **MORE WATER** on the old earth on the 3rd Day of Creation as per Genesis 1:6,10!!}
Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light!" ... and there was evening, and there was morning__ the **FIRST DAY** {Off God's 6-day Creation on the old earth}
Does God's word say that the present earth was ever **FORMLESS AND EMPTY** with **DARKNESS**???
Jeremiah 4:23-28: The Lord Almighty said, "I looked at the earth and it was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, and at the heavens, and their **LIGHT WAS GONE**.I looked at the mountains, and they were quaking; all the hills were swaying. I looked and there were no people, every bird in the sky **HAD FLOWN AWAY**. I looked and the **FRUITFUL LAND HAD BECOME A DESERT**; all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord, before His fierce anger!" This is what the Lord says, The whole land will be ruined, though I will **NOT DESTROY IT COMPLETELY**, Therefore the earth will mourn and the **HEAVENS ABOVE GROW ** DARK**, because I have spoken and will not relent, I have decided and will not turn back!!"
David and Ella a woman preacher would have you believe that there were no dinosaurs over 6,000 years old and nothing in the Grand Canyon is over 6,000 years old!!
Ella I can completely understand why you have selected an extremely liberal teacher who does not believe the Bible is inspired by God since you are a woman preacher who does not believe the following Scriptures are inspired by God!!
I Timothy 2:11: A **WOMAN** should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a **WOMEN** **TO TEACH** or to assume authority **OVER A MAN**!
I Corinthians 15:34,35:**WOMEN** should remain silent in the churches, They are not allowed **TO SPEAK**, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about anything, they should ask their husbands at home; for it is **DISGRACEFUL** for a **WOMAN** **TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH**!!
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the **WISDOM GOD GAVE TO HIM**. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {To unbelievers} which **IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT**, as they do other Scriptures, to their own **DESTRUCTION**!
I Timothy 3:16,17: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHEED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**; be prepared in season in out of season, correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear!!
I Peter 1:23-25: For you have been **BORN AGAIN**, not of perishable seed but the imperishable, through the living and enduring **WORD OF GOD**. For all people are like grass, and all their glory is like flowers in the field; the grass withers and the flowers fail, but the **WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER**!!
Genesis 1:1,2: In the beginning God created the **HEAVENS** and the earth. Now the earth was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, **DARKNESS** {**AFTER GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS THEY BECAME DARK**} was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the **WATERS!** {And then God created **MORE WATER** on the old earth on the 2nd Day as per Genesis 1:6 and on the 3rd day as per Genesis 1:10]
And since after God created the **HEAVENS** and then they became **DARK** God then **RECREATED THE HEAVENS** on the old earth on the 4th Day as per Genesis 1:14-17!!!
Just before each of God's 6 days of RECREATION we see the phrase: And God said, "Let...
God said, Let... on the **FIRST DAY** in Genesis 1:3-5 **SECOND DAY** Genesis 1:6-8 **THIRD DAY** Genesis 1:9-13 **FOURTH DAY** Genesis 1:14-19 **FIFTH DAY** Genesis 1:20-23 **SIXTH DAY** Genesis 1:24-31
It is interesting to note that during God's 6 days of Recreation in Genesis 1:3-31 He never mentions creating the **EARTH** since God had already **CREATED EARTH** **BEFORE** the 6 days of His Creation!!
Does God's word say in other Scripture that the present earth was ever **FORMLESS AND EMPTY** with **DARKNESS**???
Jeremiah 4:23-28: The Lord Almighty said, "I looked at the earth and it was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, and at the heavens, and their **LIGHT WAS GONE**.I looked at the mountains, and they were quaking; all the hills were swaying. I looked and there were no people, every bird in the sky **HAD FLOWN AWAY**. I looked and the **FRUITFUL LAND HAD BECOME A DESERT**; all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord, before His fierce anger!" This is what the Lord says, The whole land will be ruined, though I will **NOT DESTROY IT COMPLETELY**, Therefore the earth will mourn and the **HEAVENS ABOVE GROW ** DARK**, because I have spoken and will not relent, I have decided and will not turn back!!"
Now some will say the context Of Jeremiah explains something different. However God has said over 100 things in the OT that were out of context like Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 7:13 and Isaiah 7:15 had absolutely nothing to do with Isaiah 7:14: The Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and you will call **IMMANUEL**! {Which means **GOD WITH US**!}
"Prophet" Richard, why are you concerned about Ella quoting liberals when you continue to quote liberals who promote evolution??? Isn't this a bit hypocritical??? You SELECTIVELY quote LIBERAL EVOLUTIONARY views concerning the use of carbon 14 but you ignore other scientists who disagree with you and your evolutionary heros. You conveniently ignore the fact the founder of carbon 14 dating was an evolutionist!!! Don't you think he might have been a little bit biased in his research?? Nevertheless, you ignore the research performed BY OTHER SCIENTISTS who fault Carbon 14's dating abilities!! YOU lineup alongside liberal evolutionary theorists while ignoring dissenting scientists!! Why is this?? And then you fault Ella for quoting a liberal???
Stop accusing everyone of doing what you do!!
Another thing, you repeatedly remind other people on this site of questions you ask, don't you!? Well, I've presented you with several questions but you ignore them! Why is this? Is it Only YOU who get to ask questions?? Isn't this hypocritical?? As well?
"Prophet" Richard, why are you concerned about Ella quoting liberals when you continue to quote liberals who promote evolution??? Isn't this a bit hypocritical??? You SELECTIVELY quote LIBERAL EVOLUTIONARY views concerning the use of carbon 14 but you ignore other scientists who disagree with you and your evolutionary heros. You conveniently ignore the fact the founder of carbon 14 dating was an evolutionist!!! Don't you think he might have been a little bit biased in his research?? Nevertheless, you ignore the research performed BY OTHER SCIENTISTS who fault Carbon 14's dating abilities!! YOU lineup alongside liberal evolutionary theorists while ignoring dissenting scientists!! Why is this?? And then you fault Ella for quoting a liberal???
Stop accusing everyone of doing what you do!!
Another thing, you repeatedly remind other people on this site of questions you ask, don't you!? Well, I've presented you with several questions but you ignore them! Why is this? Is it Only YOU who get to ask questions?? Isn't this hypocritical?? As well?
Prophet" Richard, I've asked you several questions that you continue to ignore. Why do you believe evolutionary theory concerning a millions year old earth. Why do you ignore the fact "Christians" did not believe in an old earth until evolution theorists said it was old? Check your history
You accused me of saying you believe in evolution. Here again, you're being consistent with yourself as you regularly misinterpret what you read. Go back and reread what I really wrote and then quote me. I said you agree to the premises of evolution (the old earth, 100,000 year old Neanderthals) but you deny evolution. Here again, you're consistent at being inconsistent with what you say.
"Prophet" Richard, your falsehoods continue to mount. It is not true that 75% of Bible believing Christians believed the world was flat. But I'm sure you could find false evidence for your statements on an atheist site.
Curiously you did not consult Wikipedia's article, "The Myth of the Flat Earth". Do you not quote Wikipedia articles that disagree with you?
Another misconception of yours concerns carbon 14. You expose a great deal of intellectual nascence here. Carbon 14 does not magically identify the age of objects. Several assumptions must accompany age speculation because no one knows exactly how much carbon some items started with. Because Evolutionary scientists ASSUME the carbon present in the beginning must have been high, they start with a higher figure. Assuming a certain level of carbon that conforms to evolution is not science!!
David, That Dinosaurs became extinct about 22,000 years ago or that Neanderthals became extinct about 40,000 years ago or that many things in the Grand Canyon are 10,000 to 50,000 years old has absolutely nothing to do with evolution and millions of years that you wrongfully accuse me of.
And you have not answered any of the ridiculous things you have claimed which contradict God's Word and your assessment of Carbon 14 dating which you copied word for word from someone that agrees with you on the internet.
