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LittleDavid View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 2 Nov, 2018 06:30 PM Atheists and even some Christians insist real contradictions exist in the Bible. So, is it true the Bible contradicts itself? Let’s take a look at an alleged contradiction and see if it qualifies. Matthew 27:27-28 says the color of the robe placed on Jesus just prior to his crusifiction was scarlet but Mark 15 says it was purple. Some atheists believe this qualifies as a contradiction. Are they right? This can be a challenging exercise but learn to welcome them. Finding answers can be rewarding. Don’t let atheists discourage you. I remember working a few logic puzzles and I’m sure some of you do as well. Some of the apparent contradictions seemed insurmountable UNTIL we read the answer. When we discovered the answer was quit simple we wondered why it was seemed so difficult. Ok, let’s try—ready— get set—go!! Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 11:31 AM Exactly!! I believe the Bible was written to be understood but sometimes understanding it isn’t always easy Post Reply
View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 12:59 PM I can agree with that last part, understanding the bible is hard. This was one of the major reasons behind the catholic crunch not allowing the bible to be in English for so long. The last thing any christian should want is misunderstanding the word of god. Satan likes plays on our misunderstanding of gods word to trick up into sin. Post Reply
View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 01:22 PM It is fairly obvious that the genealogy of Joseph is in Matthew 1:116 and the genealogy of Mary is in Luke 3:23-38. Notice that Luke starts with Mary and goes backwards to Adam. Matthew starts with Abraham and goes forward to Joseph. Notice that Luke's first three chapters mention Mary eleven times; hence, the genealogy from her. Fourth, notice Luke 3:23, "And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being **SUPPOSEDLY THE SON OF JOSEPH, the son of Eli," This designation "*SUPPOSEDLY**" seems to signify the Marian genealogy since it seems to indicate that Jesus is not the biological son of Joseph. Where as in Joseph's genealogy it definitely states that Jacob was the father of Joseph as per: Matthew 1:16: And Jacob the **FATHER OF JOSEPH**, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Christ! Matthew 1:20-23: The angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said , "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. **SHE WILL GIVE BIRTH TO A SON** ... All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {In Isaiah 7:14} "THE VIRGIN WILL CONCEIVE AND GIVE BIRTH TO A SON**, and they will call Him Immanuel which means 'God with us'" It is interesting to note in Mary's genealogy in Luke 3:38 that Jesus was the **77TH** son of Adam and Jesus says to forgive your other not 7 times but **77** times in Matthew 18:22! And Christ in English Gematria adds up to **77**: C = 3 H = 8 R = 18 I = 9 S = 19 T = 20 and 3+8+18+9+19+20 = **77**!! And **CHRIST** {*77*} will come again when the **7TH** angel sounds the **7TH** and Last Trumpet! Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 01:32 PM THAT’S IT!! The separate accounts are different because each represents a different line, one for Mary and one for Joseph. I’m going to copy and paste an article that explains the genealogies in greater detail. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 01:43 PM What’s in a Father’s Name? by Bodie Hodge on March 2, 2009 Why does Joseph (Jesus’s supposed father) have two different fathers listed in Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23? Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ. Luke 3:23 Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli. First, a few preliminary comments need to be addressed. Luke’s genealogy is complete, and Matthew’s is merely a selected one. Matthew’s genealogy was not meant to be complete according to Matthew 1:17, where it is specifically broken into groups of 14. The two genealogies trace through two of David’s sons, and both trace to Abraham. Matthew focuses on the kingly relationship through David and, ultimately, to the Jewish patriarch Abraham. However, Luke doesn’t stop there. He continues to trace Christ’s genealogy back to Adam. Luke focuses more on the humanity of Christ going back to Adam, where sin and death first entered into creation—hence the need for a Savior in the first place. Another note is that both genealogies are aware of Mary’s virgin birth. For example Matthew says: “Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom (feminine) was born Jesus.” Luke is more obvious in that he says: “being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph.” With regards to the alleged “two fathers” of Joseph, the explanation of the differences between Matthew 1 and Luke 3 is quite simple. Luke traced Christ’s lineage through Mary, while Matthew traced it through Joseph. Matthew’s Genealogy One of the main reasons Matthew is recording Joseph’s lineage is due to Jeconiah (variant spellings: Jechonias, Jehoiakim). He is listed in Matthew 1:11. Because of Jeconiah’s actions, a prophecy came down that none of his descendants would ever sit on the throne of David. Jesus, who forever sits on this throne, could not have been a physical descendant of Jeconiah (Jeremiah 22:30). A virgin birth would obviously prevent this. This indicates that Matthew’s genealogy is Joseph’s, and this confirms the significance of the feminine verbiage. When Matthew mentioned Joseph’s wife, Mary, at the end of the genealogical list, he used the feminine form for the parent of Jesus. This reveals that Jesus was indeed Mary’s son and not Joseph’s. Luke’s Genealogy When looking at Luke 3, the genealogical list is strictly men from Jesus to Adam, whereas in Matthew’s list, some women were included, such as Tamar, Ruth, and so on. So, if this were a genealogy of Mary, then she would be listed. JOSEPH, WHEN HE MARRIED MARY, BECAME THE SON OF HELI ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES AND COULD LEGALLY BE INCLUDED IN THE GENEALOGY. Moreover, in the genealogy, Heli is listed as the father of Joseph, who had 2 daughters. The first is Mary, and the other was Zebedee’s unnamed wife (Matthew 27:56; John 19:25). When there were no sons to preserve the inheritance in accordance with the Law of Moses (Numbers 27:1–11; Numbers 36:1–12), the husband would become the son upon marriage to keep up the family name. Therefore, Joseph, when he married Mary, became the son of Heli according to the Law of Moses and could legally be included in the genealogy. Also, in Luke’s genealogy the form is different from that of Matthew’s. Matthew’s list gives the father and who they begot (Greek gennao). In Luke the form is different, where X is the son of Y. But more precisely, the word son is absent in Greek, but only inserted into English so we can better understand it. The only place where son is used in the Greek is in verse 23 where Jesus was the supposed son of Joseph, of Heli, of Matthat, of Levi, and so on. Luke is being very precise. Jesus was thought to be the son of Joseph, who was of Heli. Notice that Luke never said that Joseph was the son of Heli in the Greek. This reduces the alleged contradiction to nothing and shows that Luke’s genealogy is Mary’s—with Joseph’s name listed due to inheritance laws—and Matthew’s genealogy is Joseph’s. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 01:53 PM I copied the above article from Ken Ham’s book: Demolishing Supposed Bible Contradictions, Volume 1 Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 01:59 PM Does anyone want to share a particular but troublesome “contradiction” in the Bible for us to search? You’re welcome introduce it here Post Reply
View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 05:40 PM Proverbs 27:17, it contradicts is self, iron can't sharpen iron. It dual and blunts itself do to having the same hardness, iron can't be hardened ether. I should know, I'm a black smith. This is a translation lost from time. In bilabial times and even up until more recently there was no other word for iron metals other then just iron. But today iron is 99+% iron wile cast iron is iron that is castted, pig iron is a high carbon cast iron used in making steel and steel is any sort of iron alloy. Now steel can sharpen iron, steel is stronger and iron is softer then steel. This is just me but Proverbs 27:17 makes a lot more since if you change it to "As steel sharpens iron,so a person sharpens his friend." Steel being the stronger/better friend. But in the past there was no word for steel and anyone that worked with iron new that some irons were stronger and harder. Maybe I'm getting too technical and nit picky. Being a aspie I can be that way. Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 06:41 PM Really interesting stuff there about different kinds of metals. I’m not much of a metallurgist. I think years ago I had an elective class on materials that may have touched on metals but l’m still pretty much ignorant about all that. Blacksmithing sounds like an intriguing topic. This is the first time I heard about the metal sharpening metal problem. Thank you for mentioning it. I’m on it!! Post Reply
LittleDavid View Profile History	ARE THERE REALLY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE Posted : 3 Nov, 2018 07:01 PM I’ve just now started looking at “iron sharpening iron”. I found the following but I’m still trying to find something on the topic relating closer to the time the Proverbs passage was written. IRON SHAPENING IRON If one of the pieces is heated up significantly, it becomes ductile and hence can be sharpened by the other one. ... So the metaphor is nice, and makes sense, it is not practical in modern societies to use iron to sharpen iron, but steel is another case, where alloying iron makes for a good sharpening tool. Metallurgy: Does iron really sharpen iron? - ... Quora › Metallurgy-Does-iron-really-sha... Feedback Post Reply

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