Author	Thread: Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith
Admin	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 9 Apr, 2014 10:58 AM For a long time now many Pastors have continued in the false teaching that water baptism was commanded by Jesus. This is not true! Jesus commamded no one to be water baptized nor did he commission His apostles to water baptize. There are some articles that proves this, here is one. http://www.mauricejohnsonarchives.com/Wine_mixed_with_water.html Post Reply
View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 10 Apr, 2014 04:10 AM Why should we all be baptized in the name of God Jesus? What does the Scripture say? To regenerate (remove) sins? No. Baptism is a symbolic act showing what God has ALREADY DONE in the life of the believer. On the cross, Jesus took the sin of the world. He suffered from our sins, beatings, insults. People spat into His face and tore His body to pieces during the torture by beating with Roman scourges. Romans designed their whips to cut the flesh from their victim's bodies. In addition, a crown of thorns was forced into Jesus� scalp which was capable of severely irritating major nerves in His head, causing increasing and excruciating pain, as the hours wore on. His body was horribly bruised, cut and bleeding. Having had no nourishment for many hours, and having lost fluids through profuse sweating and much bleeding, Jesus would have been severely dehydrated. This brutal torture would certainly be sending Him into what doctors call �shock,� and shock kills. n addition, Jesus was forced to carry the the wooden beam of the cross on which He would die. Imagine the effect of carrying a heavy weight if you were in that condition. Hung completely naked before the crowd, the pain and damage caused by crucifixion were designed to be so devilishly intense that one would continually long for death, but could linger for days with no relief. According to Dr. Frederick Zugibe, piercing of the median nerve of the hands with a nail can cause pain so incredible that even morphine won't help, �severe, excruciating, burning pain, like lightning bolts traversing the arm into the spinal cord.� Rupturing the foot's plantar nerve with a nail would have a similarly horrible effect. Jesus did not die from exhaustion, the beatings or the 3 hours of crucifixion, but that He died from agony of mind producing rupture of the heart. His evidence comes from what happened when the Roman soldier pierced Christ's left side. The spear released a sudden flow of blood and water (John 19:34). These are symptoms of the rupture of the heart/cardiac rupture. God said: "I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions, for My own sake, and remembers your sins no more." Isaiah 43:25 God calls us all to repentance. Jesus has already blotted out all our sins. Therefore, no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus and who do not walk (sin) after (according to) the flesh, but walk according to the Spirit who lives within us, and we are living the life-style as Christians in Christ. We are no longer condemned and under the penalty of death for our sins... should we as Christians continue to sin and kill so that grace might abound? God forbid!... we repent so that grace might continue to abound. Our Advocate before God is Jesus. Peter replied, �Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.� Ephesians 5:26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 1 Peter 3:20-21 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also�not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, �Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 10 Apr, 2014 01:18 PM Here is a gentile being baptized by one of the original disciples of Christ, giving an example that it was not only for the jews, and that it was literal water. Jesus Himself was baptized, and our duty is to follow in His footsteps. What is the alleged "problem" with water baptism by submersion? Acts 8:26 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. :peace::peace: Post Reply
R123 View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 10 Apr, 2014 02:58 PM "Here is a gentile being baptized by one of the original disciples of Christ, giving an example that it was not only for the jews, and that it was literal water. Jesus Himself was baptized, and our duty is to follow in His footsteps." No it isn't! :-) Please read the article: http://www.mauricejohnsonarchives.com/Wine_mixed_with_water.html I found it quite interesting. Post Reply
View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 10 Apr, 2014 10:34 PM I agree that water baptism is not a testimony of your faith. In fact nearly all references to baptism iin the NT are not references to water baptism. O have said this here before I'm sure. The verses are about being "baptized in the name of Jesus or the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." The reference to baptism in Mark 16 should be disregarded because it and the whole "great commission" verses from verse 16 or so are added to the manuscript at a later date and reflect the Catholic Churches teachings. They would not have been a concept even at the time Mark was written around 100 BCE. Other references would be better translated "baptized into the name of Jesus". This literally means to be submerged into the nature and character of Jesus. This is an act of discipleship not water baptism. If the Bible says there is water or tells us someone was baptized in water then it is a water baptism. Otherwise it is not. I have not read this entire article. I will read it when I have the time. The fact that Protestants are still teaching water baptism is just further proof that the reformation was never completed and the Protestant church has so much more to do to complete the task. But they probably never will because they are so comfortable with their version of the knowledge of the Truth of the Word. Post Reply
View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 11 Apr, 2014 01:03 AM to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also�not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. this water symbolizes BAPTISM that now SAVES you also�not the removal of DIRT from the body but the pledge of a CLEAR CONSCIENCE toward GOD. It SAVES you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. What is the baptism in the Holy Bible? It is a symbol of a CLEAR CONSCIENCE toward GOD (REPENTANCE). It SAVES us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Post Reply
View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 11 Apr, 2014 01:21 PM Water baptism is a Jewish water purification ritual that was practiced by the Jews, the early Jewish Christians and Jewish proselytes. There is no such thing as a ''Christian water baptism''. Water baptism is Jewish always has been and always will be. Peter was slow to learn the revelations that Paul had received. Paul thanked God that he baptized no one except for a few people and that he was not sent to water baptize. Jesus Himself commanded no one to be water baptized nor did He commission any of His apostles to water baptize. There is not a single verse that says that He did. Jesus fulfilled all righteousness even water baptism. But John tried to prevent Him, saying, "I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?" But Jesus answering said to him, "Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he permitted Him. Math 3:14,15 Jesus did not leave us an example for us to be water baptized, He fulfilled the rite of water baptism as He fulfilled the whole Law. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into(eis) the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Math 28:18-20. Jesus told His apostles to make disciples of all nations by (spiritually) baptizing them into(eis) the Godhead, namely into the name of Jesus. One does not become a disciple through water baptism. Jesus is clearly speaking of spiritual baptism. Water baptism is obsolete a waste of time and money and is a burden to new believers. Post Reply
View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 12 Apr, 2014 01:43 AM Everything hat you said is a misconception. It is just unbliblical. lol :ROFL: You said: "Jesus Himself commanded no one to be water baptized nor did He commission any of His apostles to water baptize. There is not a single verse that says that He did. Jesus fulfilled all righteousness even water baptism." But here we see CLEARLY how He -our GOD Jesus- commands us to baptize: Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit Matth 28:19 Post Reply
View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 12 Apr, 2014 10:02 AM Jesus commamded no one to be water baptized! Jesus commanded His apostles to (SPIRITUALLY) BAPTIZE into(eis in Greek), the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. Did you become a disciple when you got water baptized or when you were baptized into the Holy Spirit? You are incapable to accept this truth right now because the false teaching that water baptism is a symbol of your faith has been etched in your mind since you were taught it by your Pastor. You clearly haven't read the article nor my words very well. Post Reply
View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 12 Apr, 2014 10:50 AM If you reject what our God Jesus commanded us then you are an unbeliever and He said that all people who spread heresies and FALSE teachings-i.e. what is NOT in the HOLY Bible- will be punished by God. How? They just do NOT inherit the Kingdom of Jesus. Post Reply
View Profile History	Water baptism is NOT a testimony of your faith Posted : 12 Apr, 2014 11:26 AM Please prove by using Scripture that what I have presented is untrue. Post Reply

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