I've discussed the truth of the 6 day creation from Genesis 1 in previous threads. I believe the truth of Genesis one is so incredibly clear that it hardly requires commentary. But others do not agree, they want to include Secular Humanist commentary to explain Genesis one. They believe God must have used evolutionary processes to create the earth in its very beginning. Still others, who shun evolution, accept evolutionary premises i.e. a millions of years old earth and universe. They also believe millions of years of death and dying took place on a prehistoric "old earth" long before Adam sinned. I object all Humanistic explanation of origins and it's evolutionary theories because they contradict the clear teaching found in Genesis one.
"Prophetic"7744, rejects God's origins revelation which chronicals the beginning of the heavens and earth in 6 literal days as Genesis one indicates. "Propheic" rather prefers the man made Secular Humanist view, otherwise known as Uniformitarianism. This view requires millions of years to accommodate gradual evolutionary processes. But "Prophetic" is not alone in his departure from Scripture. Many theologians have also adopted uniformitarian philosophy as if it were solid science.
Ok, Prophetic, I will continue to help you but I want to encourage you to start performing your own independent research.
Here are some suggestions to assist your search. First of all, you ought to connect with a science department or university website for an explanation of how carbon14 applies and how it is used to determine age. Wikipedia is not the preferred site for those wanting to preserve their academic credibility.
So here's CHALLENGE 1:
"Prophetic" since you think carbon14 accurately determines age. How does it do that? I will provide the answer for you tomorrow. I will be quoting a Phd university scientist. In the meantime, before l do that, I challenge you to conduct your own independent research. I want you to learn to probe deeper, get beyond the surface level of this topic. So, I repeat my challenge: How does carbon 14 determine age?
Here's CHALLENGE 2:
What scripture reference can you produce that indicates the existence of your "old earth" theory which includes decay and death prior to Adams sin and prior to day one of the 6 day creation?
CHALLENGE 3:
You should produce scientific justification (NOT UNIFORMITARIAN PHILOSOPHY) explaining the 200,000 year formation of the Grand Canyon.
I'm not asking you for something I won't do as well. I will provide scientific justification (hydrologic layering) that shows how sentiment layers resulted from active flood waters. I will be sure to resource some highly qualified Phd authorities
CHALLENGE 4:
Explain the difference between the application of the scientific method and the crafting of philosophical hypothesis. I challenge you to explain these differences because it's become obvious from your statements you do not know the difference. I want you come to grips with the fact that a clear and distinct difference between the two exists.
My goal is to challenge you to put more faith in the trustworthiness of God's Word. I hope you begin to regard man's philosophy, of which you place your trust, is not as reliable as you want to think. Human theory is subject to frequent revision, God's Word remains the same with revision.
The Word of GOD Almighty when read by a person having the Holy Spirit giving understanding, makes sense while the words of men make NONsense.
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Heb 11:2
For by it the men of old gained approval.
Heb 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.
Let's see what the Word looks like when we make a little modification.
Heb 11:1
Now 'carbon 14 dating' is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Heb 11:2
For by 'carbon 14 dating 'men of old gained approval.
Heb 11:3
By 'carbon 14 dating' we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.
1Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
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1Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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1Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
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1Corinthians 2:14
But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
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1Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, �He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS�;
Genesis 1:1-2: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the ***WATERS** {God recreated *WATERS** on the Second Day as per Genesis 1:6-8}
And then Genesis 1:3-5 shows what God created on the **FIRST DAY** of His six 24 hour days of Creation!
Genesis 1:3-5: And God said, "Let there be light. God saw that the light was good and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light *DAY* and the darkness He called *NIGHT* And there was evening, and there was morning- the **FIRST DAY**!
According to Wikipedia Carbon 14 dating is very accurate within 2 percent up to 50,000 years. According to Wikipedia Neanderthal Creatures came about 160,0000 ears ago and became extinct about 40,000 years ago and some Dinosaurs lived over 100,000 years ago.
Not being a good scientists we have no way of knowing if this is accurate or not. However, if you can prove that that anything on earth, like the Grand Canyon, is over 6,000 years old it must have existed on the **OLD EARTH** since God's six 24 hour day creation took place about 5,877 years ago!!
However, David you have stated that Carbon Dating is accurate for 10,000 YEARS {Which is over 6,000 years!!???} so you must be an **EXPERT** in Carbon 14 dating science?? Or you are accepting the testimony of someone that believes that there is nothing on this earth which is over 6.000 years old which shows that he is not an **EXPERT SCIENTIST* on Caebon14 dating.
To say that all the dozens of strata in the Grand Canyon was caused by Noah's single flood about 3500 years ago is completely ridiculous since the Grand Canyon shows strata from dozens of floods with animals that have carbon14 dating over 100,000 years. Anything that shows something on this earth is over 6.000 years old proves there was earth before God's 6-day creation about 5,877 years ago!!!
David, you have stated that I believe in evolution and do not believe in God's six 24-hour day Creation about 5,977 years ago according to the best Bible Chronologists. Which is completely untrue!!
David, you have implied 3 things that no sane carbon 14 Dating scientist would agree with:
**That there were no Neanderthal Creatures discovered that were over 6.000 years old???
*That there were no Dinosaurs discovered that were over 6,000 years old.???
**That nothing in the Grand Canyon is over 6,000 years old.??
Since the 6-Day creation by God according to the best Bible Chronologists took place about 5,877 years ago!!! And you have stated that Carbon 14 dating is accurate up to 10,000 years????
**BIBLE CHRONOLOGY BEGINNING WITH THE CREATION OF ADAM UNTIL NOW**
These chronologies are recorded in Genesis 5:2-32 and Genesis 11:10-26:
Adam became the father of Seth at age .............. 130
Seth became the father of Enosh at age ...............105
Enosh became the father of Kenan at age ............. 90
Kenan became the father of Mahalel at age.............70
Mahalel became the father of Jared at age..............65
Jared became the father of Enoch at age ..............162
Enoch became the father of Methusaleh at age ...... 65
Methusaleh became the father Lamech at age....... 187
Lamech became the father of Noah at age .............182
Noah became the father of Shem at age ................500
Shem became the father of Arphaxed at age .........100
Arphaxad became the father of Shelah at age ......... 35
Shelah bacame the father of Eber at age .............. ...30
Eber became the father of Peleg at age ...................34
Peleg became the father of Reu at age ....................30
Reu became the father of Serug at age ....................32
Serug became the father of Nahor at age .................30
Nahor became the father of Terah at age ..................29
Terah became the father of Abram{Abraham}at age...70 for a total of 1946 years after Adam was created.
Abraham entered the land of Canaan at age 75 which was 2021 years after Adam was created.
Exodus 12:40: Now the length of time the Israelite people lived in Egypt and Canaan {See NIV footnote} was 430 years. At the end of 430 years, **TO THE VERY DAY** the Lord's divisions left Egypt.
So Israel left Egypt 430 years after Abraham entered Canaan which was 2021 years after Adam was created and so Israel left Egypt 2021 + 430 or 2451 years after Adam was created.
**CHRONOLOGY OF THE 22 KINGS**
Saul king of all Israel for 42 years {I Samuel 13:1}
David king of all Israel for 40 years {I Kings 2:11}
Solomon king of all Israel for 40 years {I Kings 11:42} Solomon started to build God's Temple 3 years and 32 days after he began to reign.
After the death of King Solomon; the Kingdom of Israel was divided into Northern Israel with the Kings of Israel and southern Israel with 19 kings of Judah with headquarters in Jerusalem. The Kingdom of northern Israel was exiled by the King of Assyria during the reign of Ahaz, king of Judah. {Read 2 Kings 17:1-41}
**19 KINGS OF JUDAH**
Rehoboam king for 17 years {I Kings 14:21}
Abijah king for 5 years {I Kings 15:1,2}
Asa king for 41 years {I Kings 15:9,10}
Jehoshaphat king for 25 years {2 Chron 20:31}
Jehoram king for 8 years {2 Chron 21:5}
Ahaziah king for 1 year {2 Chron 22:2}
Joash hidden in Temple for 6 years as the King of Israel Athaliah ruled for 6 years {2 Chron 22:12}
Joash then became king for 40 years {2 Chron 24:19}
Amaziah king for 29 years {2 Chron 25:1}
Uzziah {Also called Azariah} king for 52 years {2 Chron 26:2}
Jotham king for 16 years {2 Chron 27:1}
Ahaz king for 16 years {2 Chron 28:1}
Hezekiah king for 29 years {2 Chron 29:1}
Manasseh king for 55 years { 2 Chron 33:1}
Amon king for 2 years {2 Chron 33:21}
Josiah king for 31 years {2 Chron 34:1}
Jehoahaz king for 3 months {2 Chron 36:2}
Jehoiakim king for 11 years {2 Chron 36:5}
Jehoiachin king for 3 months {2 Chron 36:9}
Zedekiah king for 11 years {2 Chron 36:11}
For a total of 490 years + 6 months + 10 days {Or 190 days}for the 22 kings above before the 70-year exile of Israel to Babylon. {See 2 Chronicles 36:20,21.
I Kings 6:1 In the 480th year after the Israelites had come out of Egypt, in the 4th year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the Temple of the Lord. 2 Chronicles 3:2: He {Solomon} began building on the second day of the second month in the 4th year of his reign.
And so Solomon began building the Temple after 3 years and 32 days of the 4th year of his reign and 479 years and 32 days of the 480th year after the Israelites left Egypt which we have shown was 2451 years after the birth of Adam; for a total of 2930 years + 32 days after the birth of Adam.
Saul had reigned 42 years and David ruled for 40 years and Solomon reigned 3 years and 32 days for a total of 85 years and 32 days from the first day of Saul's reign until the Temple was started. And since the 22 Judean kings ruled 490 years + 190 days before their 70 year exile to Babylon then there would have been 405 years + 158 days from when Solomon started the Temple until the 70-year exile. 490 years plus 190 days minus 85 years + 32 days equals exactly 405 years plus 158 days.
250 years earlier the Lord made this amazing prophecy in Isaiah 45:13: The Lord said, "I will raise up Cyrus in My righteousness. He will rebuild My city and set my exiles free!!" {Read 2 Chronicles 36:22,23}
Daniel 9:24,25: 70 7's {or 490 years} are decreed for your people and your Holy City... Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree {By King Cyrus} to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the Ruler, comes, there will be 7 7's and 62 7's {69 7's or 483 years}!!
And so this amazing prophecy confirms that the coming and Anointing of the Anointed Savior would take pace exactly 69 7's or 483 years after the decree of Cyrus which took place on October 5th, AD 29 which was 3 1/2 years or 1278 days before Jesus put an end to all sacrifices for sin in the middle of the last 7 years {See Dan 9:27a} on April 3-5, AD 33.
And so the time period from Solomon starting the Temple to the Anointing of Jesus would have been 405 years + 158 days + 70 years + 483 years for a total of 958 years and 158 days. And the time period from the birth of Adam to Solomon starting the Temple would have been 2930 years + 32 days plus 958 years + 158 days for a grand total of 3,888 years plus 190 days.
Let us suppose that the 1260-day Great Tribulation will begin on the 70-YEAR** Anniversary of Israel on **MAY 14TH, 2018** and end 1260 days later at the 2nd Coming of Jesus on **OCTOBER 25TH, 2021**
The time period from the Anointing of Jesus or the 1st Coming of Jesus on October 5th, AD 29 to the speculative 2nd Coming of Jesus on October 25th, 2021 would be exactly 1992 years plus 20 days. And then the time period from the birth of Adam to the 2nd Coming of Jesus would be 1,992 years + 20 days plus 3,888 years + 190 days for a grand total of 5,880 years plus 210 days. And 7 times 840 years is 5,880 years and so **7** times **770 + 70** years is also 5,880 years. And 210 days is also **70+70+70** days. And so the time period from the birth of Adam to the possible 2nd Coming of Jesus on October 25th, AD 2021 would be exactly **7** times **770+70** years plus **70+70+70** days!!
"Prophetic" I've asked you several questions concerning the curious anti-biblical views you embrace that you continue ignore these.
I repeat them here to help refresh you memory:
"Prophetic"7744, rejects God's origins revelation which chronicals the beginning of the heavens and earth in 6 literal days as Genesis one indicates. "Propheic" rather prefers the man made Secular Humanist view, otherwise known as Uniformitarianism. This view requires millions of years to accommodate gradual evolutionary processes. But "Prophetic" is not alone in his departure from Scripture. Many theologians have also adopted uniformitarian philosophy as if it were solid science.
Ok, Prophetic, I will continue to help you but I want to encourage you to start performing your own independent research.
Here are some suggestions to assist your search. First of all, you ought to connect with a science department or university website for an explanation of how carbon14 applies and how it is used to determine age. Wikipedia is not the preferred site for those wanting to preserve their academic credibility.
So here's CHALLENGE 1:
"Prophetic" since you think carbon14 accurately determines age. How does it do that? I will provide the answer for you tomorrow. I will be quoting a Phd university scientist. In the meantime, before l do that, I challenge you to conduct your own independent research. I want you to learn to probe deeper, get beyond the surface level of this topic. So, I repeat my challenge: How does carbon 14 determine age?
Here's CHALLENGE 2:
What scripture reference can you produce that indicates the existence of your "old earth" theory which includes decay and death prior to Adams sin and prior to day one of the 6 day creation?
CHALLENGE 3:
You should produce scientific justification (NOT UNIFORMITARIAN PHILOSOPHY) explaining the 200,000 year formation of the Grand Canyon.
I'm not asking you for something I won't do as well. I will provide scientific justification (hydrologic layering) that shows how sentiment layers resulted from active flood waters. I will be sure to resource some highly qualified Phd authorities
CHALLENGE 4:
Explain the difference between the application of the scientific method and the crafting of philosophical hypothesis. I challenge you to explain these differences because it's become obvious from your statements you do not know the difference. I want you come to grips with the fact that a clear and distinct difference between the two exists.
My goal is to challenge you to put more faith in the trustworthiness of God's Word. I hope you begin to regard man's philosophy, of which you place your trust, is not as reliable as you want to think. Human theory is subject to frequent revision, God's Word remains the same with revision.
Genesis 1:1-2: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the ***WATERS** {God recreated *WATERS** on the Second Day as per Genesis 1:6-8}
And then Genesis 1:3-5 shows what God created on the **FIRST DAY** of His six 24 hour days of Creation!
Genesis 1:3-5: And God said, "Let there be light. God saw that the light was good and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light *DAY* and the darkness He called *NIGHT* And there was evening, and there was morning- the **FIRST DAY**!
According to Wikipedia Carbon 14 dating is very accurate within 2 percent up to 50,000 years. According to Wikipedia Neanderthal Creatures came about 160,0000 ears ago and became extinct about 40,000 years ago and some Dinosaurs lived over 100,000 years ago.
Not being a good scientists we have no way of knowing if this is accurate or not. However, if you can prove that that anything on earth, like the Grand Canyon, is over 6,000 years old it must have existed on the **OLD EARTH** since God's six 24 hour day creation took place about 5,877 years ago!!
However, David you have stated that Carbon Dating is accurate for 10,000 YEARS {Which is over 6,000 years!!???} so you must be an **EXPERT** in Carbon 14 dating science?? Or you are accepting the testimony of someone that believes that there is nothing on this earth which is over 6.000 years old which shows that he is not an **EXPERT SCIENTIST* on Caebon14 dating.
To say that all the dozens of strata in the Grand Canyon was caused by Noah's single flood about 3500 years ago is completely ridiculous since the Grand Canyon shows strata from dozens of floods with animals that have carbon14 dating over 100,000 years. Anything that shows something on this earth is over 6.000 years old proves there was earth before God's 6-day creation about 5,877 years ago!!!
David, you have stated that I believe in evolution and do not believe in God's six 24-hour day Creation about 5,977 years ago according to the best Bible Chronologists. Which is completely untrue!!
David, you have implied 3 things that no sane carbon 14 Dating scientist would agree with:
**That there were no Neanderthal Creatures discovered that were over 6.000 years old???
*That there were no Dinosaurs discovered that were over 6,000 years old.???
**That nothing in the Grand Canyon is over 6,000 years old.?? {ALL Ridiculous **LIES**}
Since the 6-Day creation by God according to the best Bible Chronologists took place about 5,877 years ago!!! And you have stated that Carbon 14 dating is accurate up to 10,000 years????
Hello everyone, yes the truth seeker is at it again.
Richard aka profit has posted this:
According to Wikipedia Carbon 14 dating is very accurate within 2 percent up to 50,000 years. According to Wikipedia Neanderthal Creatures came about 160,0000 ears ago and became extinct about 40,000 years ago and some Dinosaurs lived over 100,000 years ago.
Not being a good scientists we have no way of knowing if this is accurate or not. However, if you can prove that that anything on earth, like the Grand Canyon, is over 6,000 years old it must have existed on the **OLD EARTH** since God's six 24 hour day creation took place about 5,877 years ago!!
Why would anyone want to trust carbon dating which is according to men only off by 2% for 50,000 years and is not 100% accurate.
The Word of GOD Almighty is accurate 1000% for all eternity!
Richard count the cost of your arguing against the Word of GOD Almighty
Luke 14:28
�For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it?
Luk 14:29
�Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him,
Luk 14:30
saying, �This man began to build and was not able to finish.�
Luke 14:31
�Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
Genesis 1:1,2: In the beginning God created the heavens an the earth. now the earth was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, **DARKNESS** {See Jeremiah 4:23-28 below!!} was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the **WATERS!**
Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light!" ... and there was evening, and there was morning__ the **FIRST DAY** {Off God's 6-day Creation on the earth}
Does God's word say that the present earth was ever **FORMLESS AND EMPTY** with **DARKNESS**???
Jeremiah 4:23-28: The Lord Almighty said, "I looked at the earth and it was **FORMLESS AND EMPTY**, and at the heavens, and their **LIGHT WAS GONE**.I looked at the mountains, and they were quaking; all the hills were swaying. I looked and there were no people, every bird in the sky **HAD FLOWN AWAY**. I looked and the **FRUITFUL LAND HAD BECOME A DESERT**; all its towns lay in ruins before the Lord, before His fierce anger!" This is what the Lord says, The whole land will be ruined, though I will **NOT DESTROY IT COMPLETELY**, Therefore the earth will mourn and the **HEAVENS ABOVE GROW ** DARK**, because I have spoken and will not relent, I have decided and will not turn back!!"
