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obama is goin against christian morals..
Posted : 10 Oct, 2009 07:42 PM

dear folks, i just read where obama was quoted as saying to the gay rights folks.. that he will change the law and allow them to comeout in the military and also to change state laws to allow gay partners to be able to obtain marriages and the rights as a married couple..

this man is going against all that GOD moraly asks of HIS people. proposing and promising to make the law changes to allow all of this..

its against biblical.. and should be stopped.. cast your vote and let your christian views be held up. speak out on said subjects..

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 11:22 AM

Sorry, my turn to jump in.



"What I do want to address though is that I do have alot of passion for what I believe in. I believe like the good samaratin, that a man should not be left beatin & left to die due to selfishness, hate or financial needs. The good samaritin did pay all his medical needs as long he needed out of his love for one of Gods children As long as i'm able to help any person finances, time & feelings will not get in the way of helping any of Gods children in need."



You're right about the good Samaritan...but I wonder if he would have been called the good Samaritan if the government would have forced him to help. We need a different solution besides universal health-care. It's not christian to leave a helpless man on the side of the road, but it's also not christian to force everyone to do what God wants. How about we all be really nice Christians and try to let everyone see how much better it would be if everyone helped everyone else out of their own free will because they're good people? Seems like universal health care is a good way to write a check to the government and say you did your good deed for the day, instead of doing it yourself.



And about socialism/communism. Atheism is encouraged. Doesn't matter what the individual citizens are doing. As political movements, socialism and communism lead away from personal freedom and away from God. America was founded on freedom and biblical principles. It's not those principles that are destroying us. It's the new ones. Public schools, public heath-care, huge government, restricted freedoms, massive taxes. It's not freedom that is destroying America. I don't care about homosexuals having "rights", I just don't understand why they insist on it being called "marriage". It really doesn't make any sense if you think about it. Only reason I can come up with is that someone wants to destroy marriage. And abortion? Are you going to tell me that a woman has the right to destroy another human life? Just because you end it when it starts doesn't make it right, but they don't stop there!! They were passing a bill in Illinois to allow doctors to give treatment to babies that survived abortions, and Obama voted against it! Anyway...I'm a firm believer in the fact that if you vote for someone you're saying you support what you know they plan to do. I think it's extremely dangerous for a christian to vote for liberals, and I have to say...it's better not to vote at all. And as far as starting a "new party" goes, that's just about the dumbest idea for anyone that is a conservative. It would split the conservative vote, and no replublican/newpartylican would ever reach office. I say the same thing about the republicans as I do about health care.....fix what we have. We don't need to throw the whole thing away. Waste not, want not, lol...



The United States would be fine if we just could get back to our principles and our respect for human freedom/life. Even in heaven we won't have socialism:laugh:.



Isaiah 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.



22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.



Go Capitalism!!



:peace::peace:



P.S. (When I say freedom...I mean the freedom-respecting freedom. Everyone has the right to the pursuit of happiness as long as it doesn't directly interfere with someone else's pursuit.)

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 11:33 AM

JESUS IS THE STANDARD



Abortion is Murder

Homosexuality is Sin

Islam is a Lie

Evolution is a Delusion

Feminism is Rebellion

Liberalism is False Religion

Conservatism is Pretend Salt

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 01:20 PM

Capitalism is good with restrictions. Slavery was kept alive over 400 years for the cheap labor.

The Southern Baptist Chuch split because of their backing the movement.





Shalom



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Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 04:36 PM

Hitthatmark you have good points.I like it ok.I hope you understand that I am against abortion and gay rights.And all sorts of evil ok.

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 05:33 PM

It is so much easier to be against sin that you are not involved with and criticize the sinner.



A sin that destroys more families and society than abortion and homosexuals is DIVORCE.



We need to look at the plank in our own eye first!



Shalom



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Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 06:59 PM

As oneway had stated they are all sin. :devil:

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 08:51 PM

And we are all sinners, can't forget that either. Sin sucks...



:peace::peace:

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2009 10:22 PM

Social programs promote divorce!

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Posted : 17 Oct, 2009 05:08 AM

Who should a christian have voted for?









* In interviews conducted in August 2008, John McCain and Barack Obama were asked, �At what point does a baby get human rights?�







Barack Obama responded in part:







I think that whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.[88] [89]









John McCain responded in part:







At the moment of conception.[90]











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* In January 2008, the following message from John McCain was read at a �March for Life� in Washington, D.C.:







I pledge to you to be a loyal and unswerving friend of the right-to-life movement. [91]















* In April 2007, John McCain told ABC News that �he still wants to change the GOP�s abortion platform to explicitly recognize exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother.� [93]







* In response to a 1998 questionnaire that asked if he supported the �complete reversal of Roe vs. Wade,� John McCain answered �Yes.� [94] [95]







* One year afterwards John McCain stated:















I have always believed in the importance of the repeal of Roe vs. Wade, and as president, I would work toward its repeal. . . . But that . . . must take place in conjunction with a sustained effort to reduce the number of abortions performed in America.[97]









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John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned�, returning the abortion question to the individual states. � Once the question is returned to the states, � faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations ... can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level.[98]











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* Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have voiced support for Roe v. Wade and stated that this would be reflected in their appointments to the Supreme Court.[99] [100] [101] They have also stated that they support a ban on late term abortions, but only with an exception for the �health� of the mother.[102] [103]







* In a July 2008 interview, Obama was asked to clarify his position on late-term abortions and stated:







I think it�s entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don�t think that mental distress qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term.[104]









* A few days later, a reporter asked for clarification of these remarks and Obama responded that late-term abortion bans must have an exception for �serious clinical mental health diseases,� but this does not mean that �if a woman just doesn�t feel good then that is an exception. That�s never been the case.� He also stated:







It is not just a matter of feeling blue. I don�t think that�s how pro-choice folks have interpreted it. I don�t think that�s how the courts have interpreted it and I think that�s important to emphasize and understand.[105]









* The Roe v. Wade verdict provides several examples of what may constitute a risk the health of the mother. These include the �stigma of unwed motherhood� and the �distress� �associated with the unwanted child.� Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, which were issued by the Supreme Court on the same day with the order that they �are to be read together,� mandate that abortion be legal up until the point of birth if any one physician willing to perform an abortion decides it is necessary to preserve a mother�s health.[106] [107] (More details in the section on Constitution and Law.)







* Speaking before a Planned Parenthood national conference in July 2007, Barack Obama stated: �I put Roe at the center of my lesson plan on reproductive freedom when I taught Constitutional Law. � On this fundamental issue, I will not yield and Planned Parenthood will not yield.� [108] [109] When asked what he do to �ensure access to abortion� and make certain his judicial nominees are �true to the core tenets of Roe v. Wade,� he stated:







Well, the first thing I�d do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That�s the first thing that I�d do.[110]









* The Freedom of Choice Act was introduced in the U.S. Senate in April 2007 by 13 Democrats including Barbara Boxer (California), Frank Lautenberg (New Jersey) and Max Baucus (Montana).[111] One month later, Barack Obama signed on as a cosponsor.[112] Its stated objective is to �protect, consistent with Roe v. Wade, a woman�s freedom to choose to bear a child or terminate a pregnancy�� It would invalidate �every Federal, State, and local statute, ordinance, regulation, administrative order, decision, policy, practice� that interferes with the termination of any �pregnancy prior to viability� and any pregnancy �after viability where termination is necessary to protect the life or health of the woman.� [113]







* On the same day this bill was introduced in the Senate, a bill with the same name and parallel verbiage was introduced in the House of Representatives.[114] It currently has 108 sponsors (107 Democrats and one Republican).[115] [116] The Senate bill currently has 20 sponsors (19 Democrats and one Independent).[117]









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* In May 2005, Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic Party stated:







We�d like to make abortion rare. You know that abortions have gone up 25 percent since George Bush was president? � There are not many of us who want to see the abortion rate continue to go up as it has under President Bush.[118]









* According to data from the Guttmacher Institute, an organization whose �Guiding Principles� includes support for legalized abortion,[119] [120] the total number of abortions, the number of abortions per women of reproductive age, and the number of abortions per pregnancy each declined every year between 2001 (when Bush took office) and 2005 (the last year for which numbers are available). The total declines of this period are as follows:







- Reported Abortions: 6%



- Abortions per Women of Reproductive Age: 7%



- Abortions per Pregnancy: 8% [121]







* In June 2008, Howard Dean stated that the Democratic Party �believes that we ought to significantly reduce the number of abortions in this country.� A reporter asked Dean how he could reconcile this assertion with the party�s support for taxpayer funding of abortions. Dean replied it is �total nonsense� that public funding of abortions increases the abortion rate.[122]







* According to the Guttmacher Institute:







A 1994-1995� survey of abortion patients found that in states where Medicaid pays for abortions, women covered by Medicaid have an abortion rate 3.9 times that of women who are not covered, while in states that do not permit Medicaid funding for abortions, Medicaid recipients are only 1.6 times as likely as nonrecipients to have abortions.[123]









* Barack Obama�s presidential campaign web site states that �Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans.� [124] This plan includes taxpayer funding of abortions.[125]









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└ Judicial Appointments









* The President of the United States appoints judges to the Supreme Court. These appointments must be approved by a majority of the Senate.[126] Senate rules allow for a �filibuster,� in which a vote to approve a judge can be blocked unless 60 of the Senate�s 100 members agree to let it take place.[127] [128]







* Once seated, federal judges serve for life unless they voluntarily resign or are removed through impeachment, which requires a majority vote of the House of Representatives and two-thirds of the Senate.[129]







* For implications relating to the appointment and approval of judges, see the section on Constitution and Law.









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└ American Civil Liberties Union









* The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) supports the use of taxpayer funding to perform abortions. In making its case for this position, the ACLU website poses the following rhetorical question:







What about those who are morally or religiously opposed to abortion?









And answers:







Our tax dollars fund many programs that individual people oppose.[130]









* The ACLU is opposed to taxpayer funded school choice programs. One of their arguments for this stance is:







School voucher schemes would force all taxpayers to support religious beliefs and practices with which they may strongly disagree.[131]





In Christ



Steve

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Posted : 17 Oct, 2009 10:49 AM

John McCain



Dumped his ailing wife for a younger,rich beauty queen who promotes her alcohol empire vs Obama who has a healthy marriage with beautiful Christian educated children.



Rev Wright (a Christian, God fearing man) was an excellent teacher for the Obama family vs McCain who didn't have time for Church.



Shalom



Dan

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