Are there women who assume there is never a good reason to withhold
Posted : 18 Nov, 2015 05:38 PM
I'll try to rephrase and see if it makes more sense.
1. Are there women who assume there is never a good reason for a man to withhold a picture or personal information on a site such as this?
2. Are there women who think that if a man (his profile) doesn't match/fulfill their exact list of wants (as described in the woman's profile, i.e. the gift box they have given to God to fill), that a man is unable to minister any love, grace, or truth to them?
(If someone is coming here looking for a marriage, I think it is fair to assume the individual is not looking for a marriage without love. And so, yes, in that sense, everyone on such a site is asking for love; and I think also grace, and honesty.)
Are there women who assume there is never a good reason to withhold
Posted : 18 Nov, 2015 03:57 PM
a picture or personal information; or that a man outside their predetermined comfort zone is unable to minister any love, grace, or truth to them, if the man does not fit into the box they have given to God?
Someone asked about any legitimate reason for divorce and remarriage.
Posted : 15 Nov, 2015 01:29 PM
It was suggested that Moses provided a number of reasons why it was okay to divorce and remarry. What those who offer comments about what Moses said fail to grasp, is that Jesus said Moses was wrong, and explicitly stated the correct guidelines. He very clearly said we are not to follow the practice of Moses, because that is not God's plan, and never was God's plan for our lives, and we are not to divorce.
There is no way to use Moses to justify a divorce today. That would be calling Jesus Christ, Almighty God in the flesh, a liar.
I repeat, the fallacy of any arguments for divorce, based on what Moses said, is this simple. Jesus overruled what Moses said very succinctly.
His answer to the pharisees was this. From the beginning of time, it was not the Father's plan for marriage to end in divorce. So stop it. Do not separate what God had joined together. Just like the Holy Spirit is witness to every sin of every believer, but does not participate in it, God is witness and joins every marriage together by operation of nature which God created, and by operation of His spiritual laws as well. As it says in 1 Corinthians 6, those who have sex become one flesh, even if not married. So in that sense, He joins all in marriage.
To the pharisees, Jesus said no divorce, and He offered no exception, so that there would be no misunderstanding among the Pharisees. Matthew 10
To the disciples, when they inquired privately, Jesus said, (I'm paraphrasing here) Hey, you know my earthly mother and father? Only in Joseph's situation can you divorce, marry another, and not commit adultery. That is because of the special bethrothal period unique to the Jews, where, though considered married, they did not consummate the marriage until a year had passed to make sure the woman was sexually pure. Only for porneia could a man divorce his wife, before consummation of the marriage. And only when he divorced her for that reason, could he marry another, and not commit adultery. If you divorce for any other reason, or after consummation, you commit marital adultery (moxitai).
Jesus was specific. He said for porneia , not for moxtitai (marital adultery) you could divorce, marry another, and not commit adultery. This one exception in all of scripture is not repeated in Mark 10, written to the Romans, nor in Luke 16:18, which was written to the Greeks. They had no such similar situation, and there is a bottom line statement in both Mark and Luke that if you divorce your wife and marry another, you commit adultery (moxitai) without exception.
Why do you think the disciples went into a panic and said that it was better then that nobody get married? They got it! They understood the rigid standard Christ just gave them. And it sent them into a tizzy. Just like most who read this today will freak out, they freaked out. But God Himself told them in person the unambiguous standard, that does not allow for divorce once the marriage is consummated. No divorce for the consummated marriage.
God never contradicts Himself, and He didn't when He gave the Jews the one extremely narrow exception, but gave the Romans and the Greeks no exceptions. There was a significant difference in cultural practices which made then entirely different situation.
Whatever reasons you might think that God allows based on what Moses said, God in the flesh said Moses got it wrong, and to stop with the divorce of any consummated marriage.
Further, God says to the one who goes to Court and obtains a divorce, Do not marry another, but hold yourself ready for reconciliation or stay unmarried. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11.
There are no exceptions here either, cultural or otherwise. There isn't an expiration date, where if you wait so long, the prohibition changes. He doesn't say there is an exception if the person marries another; the command to stay unmarried remains. You will not benefit by the other person marrying because you caused the situation; you are the one who violated God's command to stay married and put them away.
These three commands are involved here.
1. Do not divorce.
2. Do not commit adultery.
3. Do not marry another (unless your spouse has died, and then, only in the faith).
�Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-20
"My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment." James 3:1
Currently, many have error publicly available for reading, based on the errant belief that whatever Moses said was okay and provides a basis for divorce, and which supersedes what Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, says. It does not, and needs to be removed from public view.
Jesus Himself said Moses was wrong, so do not say that it is part of scripture, and therefore it is still valid. It is not. God has the final say so, not Moses. Just because God includes history in His word doesn't mean He approves the error of people included in the History. God has clearly said He doesn't approve of divorce.
�For the Lord God of Israel says
That He hates divorce,
For it covers one�s garment with violence,�
Says the Lord of hosts.
�Therefore take heed to your spirit,
That you do not deal treacherously.� Malachi 2:16
The problem with people, is they "think" they know better than God.
If you "think" "God wouldn't want (you) to be alone for the rest of (your) life", write out 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 a hundred times, then come back and show me where God says that in His holy word.
God gives grace to the humble, and respects when a man owns his error. I hope I speak for all when I say that I appreciate the original intention to encourage the body and to help people by giving insight into God's word.
May the Lord bless you as you study His word and bring it to feed His sheep, and may He keep you from all harm.
Ps 145:8,9
"The Lord is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy. The Lord is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works."
whoever divorces his wife, except for porneias (sexual immorality),
and marries another, commits adultery;
and whoever marries her who is divorced commits moxitai (marital (adultery)).�
Let�s restate it for clarity.
And I say to you,
Whoever divorces his wife, and marries another, commits adultery.
However, if she had already committed porneias (sexual immorality),
and he divorces her for that reason, he will not be guilty of committing moxitai if he marries another (based on his divorce, if however, there is an issue with the woman he wants to marry, they do not get a pass for her situation, just because he gets a pass for his),
AND,
whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.
Would you please explain the differences between the three statements made in the various texts, so that they each speak truth to the various target audiences and do not contradict each other? Because it seems that Jesus gave one, and only one reason (exception) where a man could divorce, remarry, and not commit adultery; and only gave that exception to one of the 3 target audiences; and that the exception only applied if the man got the divorce for that one reason; and that only by fulfilling those conditions could he escape committing adultery if he married another. So how do you reconcile them if such is the case?
Luke 16:18
"Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits (marital) adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits (marital) adultery."
Mark 10:11-12
"So He said to them, �Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits (marital) adultery against her. 12 And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits (marital) adultery.� "
Matthew 19:9
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for πορνειας, and marries another, commits μοιχαται; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits μοιχαται."
With respect, we have a much higher calling, and there is a much greater meaning to life.
The meaning of life:
"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." - Jesus Christ
Our purpose in life:
"you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength." - Jesus Christ
When you read the Greek text, you will see that it means, with everything that you are, which includes the will. You shall love the Lord our God with all of our heart, mind, soul, strength, and will; everything that is in us, 24/7.
Know God, and love God. When you know God, you will love God, for He is love, and when you love God, you will feed His sheep with His word. John 21:15-17
I know that sometimes I have to see things printed out in order to catch everything, including the subtle nuances, that I might overlook on a screen. It gives me a chance to see it in print, which is what I prefer, instead of scrunched up on a screen.
Are you ready to commit for life?
1 Corinthians 7:10-11 NKJV
"Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife."
1. When you get married, will you vow before God to marry your spouse for life, for better and for worse, for richer and poorer, in sickness and in health, until death you do part?
yes no I don't know
2. According to these verses (1 Cor. 7:10-11), does it matter why a woman wants/wanted to depart from her husband?
yes no
3. Does the command in these two verses, to remain alone or be reconciled, apply to men as well as women?
yes no I don't know
4. Are there any exceptions to the command to stay unmarried or be reconciled contained within these two verses?
yes no
5. If God expects the one who went after the divorce to stay alone or be reconciled, what does this mean for the person who is left by the one who departs?
5. (a) In these two verses, are the ones who are left behind (divorced/put away), whose spouse departs from them, also supposed to look towards reconciliation or remain alone?
yes no
6. Within these two verses alone, is there an absolute prohibition against the one who obtains the divorce from marrying another person?
yes no
7. Does God ever contradict Himself, by saying one thing in one place, and something contradictory somewhere else?
yes no
8. Does the Holy Spirit lead people to contradict a command of the holy bible?
yes no
8. (a) If someone is being lead to do something which violates a command of the holy scripture, is it the Holy Spirit who is leading them to violate that command?
yes no
9. Does the truth set you free, or is it just a tool of mean spirited people who want to spoil your fun?
10. Have you ever told someone they shouldn't do something wrong before they did it, because you knew from God's word that He didn't approve of such conduct?
yes no
11. If yes, were you sinning or just being mean just by giving them a warning to obey God and His word?
yes no
12. For those who have children, when you set boundaries, and tell them they can't do certain things; do you set those boundaries because you hate them and want to hurt them; because you love them and want to protect them from harm they do not fully understand, or for some other reason?
13. Has God changed His mind about the commands in these two verses because we live in a different culture?
yes no
14. Is there an expiration date on the command to remain unmarried or reconcile?
yes no
15. Who gave us the standards contained in these verses?
God Paul
16. How does Ecclesiastes 5:1-7 impact your view of 1 Corinthians 7:10-11?
I hope you find that it is your own beliefs about God and His word that will inform you as to the level of your willingness to commit to marriage for life, and not the questions or how they are asked. The questions, and how they are asked, only help you to consider new ways of considering the level of commitment God requires in His word. Indeed, the disciples' response in Matthew 19 should give everyone pause, as we look at how seriously they responded to the rigid standard Christ gave them. But indeed, marriage is honorable, and a blessed thing, and favored by God.
If there are questions you have after taking time to ponder the profound questions contained in this questionnaire, I will be glad to do my best to give a good answer from God's word. Again, the answers to this questionnaire are highly personal, and I'm not looking for anyone to report back to me, but to help people get an honest look into the mirror of God's word, and a true understanding of their own views regarding the permanence of marriage.
Steve
"For the word is quick and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
