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We can't help it, after all, we are just Men
Posted : 7 Nov, 2011 06:32 AM

Ok Ladies, what is the single most prevelant mistake ( not affair related) we men make in relationships? Is it our lapse in the forgotten practice of chivalry. Since history repeats itself, are we men truly past the point of no return and destined for the caves we once ruled with a rod of iron? Feel free to rip us.



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Posted : 8 Nov, 2011 04:52 PM

@MCiG: very well written! as if im reading an article. I agree to all of them! :applause::glow:

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 09:51 AM

As a man, I don't really care what women say they want in general because different women want different things and even if there are some basic things they can generally all agree on, like with what mcig brought up, they have different perspectives on what it means to them and different ways of going about fullfilling that, etc., so much so that you will just be batted around to and fro on a sea of confusion if you don't just get your own direction and follow it. For me it's about the chemistry and if it's there it's there and if it's not it's not.

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 09:56 AM

It's sorta like the rules of the game vs. playing the game. It doesn't really matter much if you know all the rules if you don't know how to play. So while you're definitly better for knowing them, they aren't the key that will take you all the way to victory. At some point, you gotta close the book and get off the bench and figure out how to balance the mechanics and technique with natural flow.

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Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 01:46 AM

@DKJ...



Think of it this way...the desires of a woman's heart need to be met the same way men's basic desires need to be met. What do men desire from a woman most? Respect is huge...



If the woman you were with didn't respect you, would you stay with that woman? Probably not. You would want to be with someone who understood what you needed and did their best to give you those things.



Women may have different basic heart desires than a man, but the need to have those met by the man in our life is no different than a man's desire to be respected by his woman. Different, but no less important.

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Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 06:17 AM

Again, IODC is all over this one.



Women are people. All the talk of "women want this, men want that" ignores that they are just people, meaning they hold a lot in common with each other, and they also differ in a lot of ways. They have a lot in common with other women, and they differ in a lot of ways. No textbook answer is going to help that, because people are different, and people are individuals.



As a woman, I am just sick to death of ~chivalry~. Medieval times sucked and it's 2011. I don't want someone who is chivalrous, I want someone who treats ME well. Chivalry has nothing to do with that, and seems to often be adopted by the hoards of self-proclaimed "nice guys" who think women than owe them something (respect, sex, WHATEVER. Anything at all!) because they are chivalrous/gentlemenly/nice guys, whatever that means. Usually it means they're doormats and passive aggressive.



I'd rather open my own car door, pay for my own dinner, walk through a door last and be with a man who respects ME as a person rather than uses my gender as a means by which he can show off how awesome he is.

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Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 08:17 AM

I guess I'm the opposite of Godsgirl. Chivalry is NOT dead (at least, not here in Georgia...maybe it's just because it's in the south, huh?), and I love a guy to be chivalrous. Not just to me, but to every female that he encounters. I'm not a wimpy girl, and I can certainly open my own doors, pay for my own meals, take care of myself, etc., but it's nice when a guy chooses to be chivalrous.

Of course, chivalry means nothing at ALL if a guy doesn't respect me as a person. I think there is a happy blend of chivalry and respect that is just perfect!

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Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 02:16 PM

Like I said, different women want different things. :laugh::glow:

I think the thing that gets lost sight of when people question how they should behave is respect. Just have respect for the other person and treat them the way you want to be treated.

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Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 02:24 PM

Respect without fear

Which according to Coach Wooden is Confidence

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Posted : 14 Nov, 2011 02:28 PM

Case in point: I never would open doors for my ex, but still loved and respected her (It just wasn't something I thought about). She mentioned something about it and after that I didn't mind because the respect was already there.

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Posted : 18 Nov, 2011 12:08 PM

A few points I'd like to touch on in this thread.



First the main points that MCIG made I think are for the most part true at least on some levels. Every woman is different just as every man is different. God created us that way if we were all the same it'd be pretty boring. But I think her points are valid. I think women do want to be romanced and want their man to be romantic when it's appropriate. I think women do want to know they are desired and attractive to their man. And I think women do want to know that you value her. Now how what that looks like exactly in each woman's case is different. What one woman finds romantic, another would find either cheesy or may not even register. Wanting to know she is desired or that her man finds her attractive is not needy, or vein, and I doubt women like someone over the top gushing about beauty or looks which may likely be more uncomfortable than flattering. But a simple "you look nice" or "your cute" or "that looks nice on you" would be a welcomed compliment. Women do want to know we value them, and that can be verbal or non verbal.



And in response to God's Girl





I'm not sure what has happened in the past but not every man that is chivalrous is doing so merely as a way of bartering something from you or doing it so you owe them something. It is not just something guys do to make you think they are a good guy. Not saying there aren't pretenders but being a guy who believes in being chivalrous and I truly do it because I enjoy doing it, I enjoy going that extra mile as a way of demonstrating respect, care, and love. Doing so doesn't make me less of a man or make me a pushover, or a doormat. I believe that it is one way we can show we care about someone and to me is an act of love, not bait, not a sign that we think you are helpless, etc. I think it's important to take time to get to know someone and what you should look for in a guy is consistency, patience. and the fruit of the spirit. When a guy is sincere it will show.



For me bringing a smile to her face is all the thanks or payment I need. A true gentleman finds joy in bringing joy.

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