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Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 03:24 AM

Guys,

I told my friend today:



"Listen, I talked to a missionary recently and we discussed his divorce.

I told him that God does not allow us to marry divorced people. I think that God gave a few cases when we are allowed to divorce christians and unbelievers...and He said that if we divorce Christians cuz of other reasons except sexual immorality then we are sexual immoral people and the sexual immoral people do not inherit the Kingdom of God.

That is why it is VERY dangerous to marry divorced people cuz they could not always say the true reasons behind their divorce...

What do u think about that?"



Guys, do you remember what our God Jesus said about such marriages?

Let's ponder on the Scripture and discuss if we can marry divorced people or not.



Let's consider that cuz we should not make any mistakes disobeying our God Jesus.



Look my friend (an unbeliever) divorced her husband and today she lives in sexual immorality committing sexual sins with men...She left her husband and she is now in sexual immorality. Jesus forbids such behavior. He says that sexual immoral people do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.

He forbids not only Christians to live in sexual immorality but ALL people!



Our God Jesus speaks:

(Mat. 19:9) "I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery."



What is "sexual immorality"? That is all sexual sins and "fornication" and "adultery".



Jesus said here in this verse above: Any divorce which is not sexual immorality is an adultery.



But there is an exception:

(1) A Christian is forbidden to divorce an unbeliever except the case if he divorces her and does not want to live with her anymore. God commands to stay in marriage and convert this person.



In 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 Paul presents a ground for divorce, one that has to do with mixed marriages (an unbeliever+believer). If an unbelieving spouse "leaves" (vs. 15) a believing spouse, the believer is "not bound in such circumstances" (vs. 15).



Can such person remarry? I think YES!



If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?



"Neither the sexually immoral... will inherit the Kingdom of God."



1Cor. 6:9-10) "9 Or don't you know that the unrighteous will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God?

Don't be deceived.

Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God."



Let me remind you which law our God instituted for such sexual crimes/adultery:



Deuteronomy 22:21 she shall be brought to the door of her father?s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father?s house. You must purge the evil from among you.



God consider any sexual immorality as a disgraceful thing and God COMMANDS to PURGE the evil from among us! He commands us to be HOLY like God is HOLY!



1 Corinthians 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself?

Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute?

Never! (16) Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, ?The two will become one flesh.?





Can Christians marry widows and widowers?



8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.





Look at that too:



Romans 7



Freed from the Law



7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?

2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives.

But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress;

but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.





Command of God:



10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the LORD:

A wife is not to depart from her husband.

11 But even if she does depart,

let her remain unmarried

or be reconciled to her husband.

And a husband is not to divorce his wife.





Death of husband:



39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord (ONLY a Christian!). 1 Cor. 7

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 07:53 AM

The Scripture says there are ONLY two reasons acceptable by God for divorce:

(1) Sexual immorality if spouse cannot forgive this sin.

(2) Wish of a unbeliever-spouse who abandons a Christian.



Let's consider the first case: 1. divorce and one of them was remarried. For example he married her when she was an unbeliever and divorced her.

If she was a believer and abandoned faith and committed sexual immorality and that was the REASON for divorce then he is free.



If she was an unbeliever then God does NOT allow this divorce! And in this case he committed sexual immorality divorcing her! He should find her and if she is not married yet then he should return to her and accept her children and live with her and try to convert her as God says.

Why?

Our God Jesus speaks:

(Mat. 19:9) "I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery."



Jesus said here in this verse above: Any divorce which is not sexual immorality is an adultery!

If she (unbeliever) married another man:

If she was married or not married and does not want to return to him then he should be unmarried too according to this verse:



Death of husband:

39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord (ONLY a Christian!). 1 Cor. 7



Why? Because God does NOT accept his divorce. He does NOT allow this divorce! He commands him to CONVERT her and stay with unbeliever!



These are the laws of God and they are ABOVE any laws of our states!



2."Why don't we treat these people like they are living in adultery?" Because people do NOT want to study the Scripture and analyze what God said to us about marriage!

Why is it important to do? Because if a Christian was divorced because of WRONG reason then God considers his divorce as SEXUAL Immorality and he should repent and fix the situation returning to his wife and MOREOVER he should NOT allow any Christian to commit this sexual immorality too marrying him! That is why you and we all have to analyze reasons behind divorces!



3. Your pastor who authorized remarriage in the Church was MOST probably committing sin! Punishment for sin is DEATH and God will judge him and any other pastors and Christians according to this SIMPLE law too! Why? The law of God is SIMPLE:

Jesus said: Any divorce which is not sexual immorality is an adultery!



To enable people to be MARRIED when the Son of God forbids it is a CRIME against the Son of God!



4. Trouble with lust and burning: God Jesus forbids any marriages if there is "ILLEGAL" reason for divorce (look above at two "LEGAL" reasons for divorces):

Jesus said: Any divorce which is not sexual immorality is an adultery!



That is good to talk to you about that. ....that is good to meditate on the Holy Scripture together to reconsider our "sexual immorality" too! LOL and be holy like God commands us to be HOLY. Be holy for I -God- am HOLY.

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 07:54 AM

I like your message here Versavia but I have one question for you.. about your friend it was stated,

"He forbids not only Christians to live in sexual immorality but ALL people!"



Your friend is said to be a non believer, so will abstaining from sexual immorality save her? Or is it by God's leading her to faith n repentance.... coming to a believing knowledge of Christ, conviction of the Holy Spirit and turning away from sin that will bring salvation?

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 08:00 AM

The law of our God Jesus is ONE and simple:



Jesus said: Any divorce which is not sexual immorality is an adultery!



What to do if this sexual immoral person is you as our God Jesus called you?

(1) First you have to repent of this sin

(2) Return to your LEGAL wife whom you divorced illegally as God said and FIX the situation. If she is married then God Jesus forbids you to remarry!

Stay then single!

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 08:27 AM

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!



For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed?

For the end of those things is death.

But now having been set free from sin,

and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to HOLINESS, and the end, everlasting life.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.





And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness!



For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness,

so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for HOLINESS!

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 07:37 PM

(Mat. 19:9) "I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and he who marries her when she is divorced commits adultery."



The Greek here is porneia and means harlotry, that is, prostitution or behaving like a prostitute. The word is translated fornication in the King James. If this is an accurate translation of the word then it applies specifically to prostitution and a lewd and licentious life style. The word fornication is not from Greek but from Latin and is rooted in the word fornix, meaning brothel but originally arches or archways. Prostitutes in Roman cities stood under the arches of certain doorways of their homes or brothels. Fornication should actually be translated as a plural word, fornications, because it includes men making contracts with women (prostitution), showing disrespect to religious leaders such as the Bishops/Pastors, idolatry and public displays of indecency. Interestingly, the word did not exist until after 1300 AD and originated in Middle England. Webster�s earliest dictionaries do not define it as consensual sexual relations between an unmarried man and woman and some of them only define it as lewd behavior and defer to Adultery for a moral definition.



The example of unfaithfulness and grounds for accusing one of adultery are given by God in the Old Testament. His definition of adultery is any act of unfaithfulness, disobedience or willful disregard for His commitments to His people. (Jer. 3:8-9; EZ 23:37Is 57:3 � 5. God made vows with the Hebrew people while they were in the wilderness. He commanded them not to take His name in vain. In other words, don�t claim to be married to me and then live a life of idolatry and unfaithfulness. Therefore, any continued, repeated act of unfaithfulness, not just sexual immorality, is adultery. Jesus was saying these are the only legitimate reasons for divorce. The interpretive translation of Jesus only talking about sexual immorality is inaccurate. The use of the word fornication is also a bad translation. Jesus is talking about something much different than consensual sex between unmarried men and women. He is talking about someone that has adopted a lifestyle that defiles the marriage through continual unfaithful actions. I believe these actions can include any kind of abuse, torment, sexual unfaithfulness, incest, abandonment whether for short or long periods, disrespect for the needs of the other person in the marriage, lack of caring or concern for the other�s welfare and so on.



I propose that before we interpret the Bible as saying that the only reasons for divorce are sexual immorality and abandonment we take a look at the broader use of the word adultery as it is used in Scriptures to be sure the language of the translation is equal to the intent of the original languages. We must also consider that the word fornication(s) is not an accurate translation for the word porneia.

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 09:13 PM

Is divorce an unforgivable sin?



Which sins are unforgivable? Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit and disbelief if a person does NOT want to believe what our God Jesus commands him.

Unbelievers do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.



Let me remind you that sexual immoral people do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God too and the list continues....



Please remind us who of Christians will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God?

Just continue the list I started to mention....



Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any INHERITANCE IN THE KINGDOM of Christ and of God.

1Co 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.





One Christian said:

"No, of course divorce in itself is not unforgivable, especially if you're the one who has been sinned against. I've heard that question asked on Christian radio, and usually do not agree with the speaker.



What about willfully remarrying which in the sight of God may be polygamy? Or leaving the wife of your youth destitute? Or the children fatherless, starving or homeless? People are not trash to be thrown in a dumpster just to marry someone you lust after. To me that is perpetual adultery. Therefore, literally living in sin. Are they forgiven? If repentance means turning away, and they stay turned toward each other, have they repented? Repentance without action is a lie."



People are not trash to be thrown in a dumpster just to marry someone you lust after.



To me that is perpetual adultery.



Therefore, literally living in sin. Are they forgiven? If repentance means turning away, and they stay turned toward each other, have they repented? Repentance without action is a lie.

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Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 09:29 PM

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

James 2:10�For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.�

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.�Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

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Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 07:32 PM

Real question�. True story�.



My ex-husband was in recovery when I meant him. He relapsed. Would get drunk and come home and sometimes hit me� I specifically remember one nigh he came home and he said to me once �don�t #@&* up tonight Mindy I�ve been drinking liqueur�. I grabbed my stuff and ran to my dad�s house because I know what that meant. He cheated on me after he went back to AA. I told him stop having an affair, let�s get counseling or I am getting a divorce. He replied �get the divorce�... So I did.



Am I just luck he cheated on me? Or could I have divorced him for the other and still be righteous enough in G-d�s eyes to marry someone else?

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Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 09:38 PM

I�ll tell you my opinion� because I know it�s worth so much�lol

I hate the churches attitude. If I tell someone I am divorced I feel like I have to tell �oh yah man I�m one of those lucky one whose husband cheated� or I am a second class citizen. The Bible says liars, drunkards; backbiters/gossipers do not inherit the Kingdom of G-d either �

Do we just divorce to divorce? Absolutely not!!! But let�s be clear no divorcee is a second class citizen (in the kingdom) either. I personally legally separated from my ex-husband and left when he was using. (I personally would have stayed married because of the law.. for real). I could not live with an active addict� my daddy (G-d never intended that for me), and if he killed someone driving drunk I could have been legally just as responsible financially. Because of Torah and the Laws on how to treat women and even slaves I know G-d does not want anyone abused. I was grieved and relived in a way he cheated so I could get divorced. But I think the church does need to see mercy with divorced people, this is not the unforgivable sin. My ex-husband is a Christian� the one who did cheat. I pray someday he will be right with G-d and can have a happy life, even remarried to a G-dly Christian woman. What if my story was his� I feel bad for him as a Christian. All that he did is under the blood� the priceless blood of Y-shua!!!!!!

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Posted : 18 Oct, 2013 10:26 AM

Every sin can be forgiven, just make sure to look for the fruit that true repentance should bring to the life of the individual before you consider a relationship with them.



:peace::peace:

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