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Posted : 11 Oct, 2014 05:12 PM

If you were to explain the following two questions to a 5year old, how will you go about it?



* The combination of love (that is often expressed as something nice) and longsuffering? (Why would something nice be associated with paint?



* How does one obtain a transformed/renewed mind or what is a renewed mind at all?



May the Lord bless you for rescuing me on this through your knowledge of answers to these questions.

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Posted : 12 Oct, 2014 05:56 AM

Hello Sisygirl:

Thank you for your post,very good questions,and we will look into the Word of GOD Almighty for the answers.



Sisygirl asks:

If you were to explain the following two questions to a 5year old, how will you go about it?

* The combination of love (that is often expressed as something nice) and longsuffering? (Why would something nice be associated with paint?



GNWS:

First i believe you had meant to say(Why would something nice be associated with paint?) PAIN not paint.

There could be some pain painting,as i had been a painter for a few years,and there was a lot of pain from painting 18 foot cathedral ceilings

using a 25 foot extension pole,hahahaha.



We need to find what the word 'longsuffering' means,and where in the Scriptures will we find what 'longsuffering' looks like.



English- longsuffering

Greek-makrothume�

Strong's Concordance

makrothume�: to persevere, to be patient

Original Word: μακροθυμέω

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: makrothume�

Phonetic Spelling: (mak-roth-oo-meh'-o)

Short Definition: I suffer long, have patience, am forbearing

Definition: I suffer long, have patience, am forbearing, perseverance.

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Cognate: 3114 makrothym�ō � properly, long-tempered (to defer anger), refusing to retaliate with anger, because of human reasoning.



[The literal sense if the term is "extending a long time (way)."]



3114 /makrothym�ō ("showing divinely-directed patience") is "longsuffering" because it only expresses anger as the Lord directs (i.e. is the opposite of being "quick-tempered"). See 3115 (makrothymia).

#3114

Strong's Greek 3114

10 Occurrences



μακροθυμήσας � 1 Occ.

Μακροθυμήσατε � 2 Occ.

Μακροθύμησον � 2 Occ.

μακροθυμεῖ � 3 Occ.

μακροθυμεῖτε � 1 Occ.

μακροθυμῶν � 1 Occ.



Matthew 18:26 V-AMA-2S

GRK: αὐτῷ λέγων Μακροθύμησον ἐπ' ἐμοί

NAS: him, saying, 'Have patience with me and I will repay

KJV: saying, Lord, have patience with me,

INT: to him saying have patience with me



Matthew 18:29 V-AMA-2S

GRK: αὐτὸν λέγων Μακροθύμησον ἐπ' ἐμοί

NAS: with him, saying, 'Have patience with me and I will repay

KJV: him, saying, Have patience with me,

INT: him saying Have patience with me



Luke 18:7 V-PIA-3S

GRK: νυκτός καὶ μακροθυμεῖ ἐπ' αὐτοῖς

NAS: and night, and will He delay long over

KJV: him, though he bear long with them?

INT: night and [is] being patient over them



1 Corinthians 13:4 V-PIA-3S

GRK: Ἡ ἀγάπη μακροθυμεῖ χρηστεύεται ἡ

NAS: Love is patient, love is kind

KJV: Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind;

INT: Love has patience is kind



1 Thessalonians 5:14 V-PMA-2P

GRK: τῶν ἀσθενῶν μακροθυμεῖτε πρὸς πάντας

NAS: the weak, be patient with everyone.

KJV: the weak, be patient toward

INT: the weak be patient toward all



Hebrews 6:15 V-APA-NMS

GRK: καὶ οὕτως μακροθυμήσας ἐπέτυχεν τῆς

NAS: And so, having patiently waited, he obtained

KJV: so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained

INT: and thus having had patience he obtained the



James 5:7 V-AMA-2P

GRK: Μακροθυμήσατε οὖν ἀδελφοί

NAS: Therefore be patient, brethren, until

KJV: Be patient therefore, brethren,

INT: Be patient therefore brothers



James 5:7 V-PPA-NMS

GRK: τῆς γῆς μακροθυμῶν ἐπ' αὐτῷ

NAS: of the soil, being patient about

KJV: of the earth, and hath long patience for

INT: of the earth being patient for it



James 5:8 V-AMA-2P

GRK: μακροθυμήσατε καὶ ὑμεῖς

NAS: You too be patient; strengthen

KJV: ye also patient; stablish your

INT: Be patient also you



2 Peter 3:9 V-PIA-3S

GRK: ἡγοῦνται ἀλλὰ μακροθυμεῖ εἰς ὑμᾶς

NAS: slowness, but is patient toward

KJV: but is longsuffering to

INT: esteem but is patient toward you



10 Occurrences





Also from the Greek;

Strong's Concordance

makrothumia: patience, long-suffering

Original Word: μακροθυμία, ας, ἡ

Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

Transliteration: makrothumia

Phonetic Spelling: (mak-roth-oo-mee'-ah)

Short Definition: patience, forbearance

Definition: patience, forbearance, longsuffering.

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3115 makrothym�a (from 3117 /makr�s, "long" and 2372 /thym�s, "passion, anger") � properly, long-passion, i.e. waiting sufficient time before expressing anger. This avoids the premature use of force (retribution) that rises out of improper anger (a personal reaction).



3115 /makrothym�a ("divinely-regulated patience") is used of God Himself (see 1 Pet 3:20; 2 Pet 3:15). Indeed, only the Lord produces 3115 /makrothym�a ("true patience, longsuffering") in us and hence is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22).



"3115 (makrothym�a) embraces steadfastness and staying-power. If in English we had an adjective 'long-tempered' as a counterpart to 'short-tempered,' then makrothymia could be called the quality of being 'long-tempered'. . . . which is a quality of God (LXX, Ex 34:6)" (F. F. Bruce, Commentary on Galatians, 253).



#3115

Strong's Greek 3115

14 Occurrences



μακροθυμίᾳ � 6 Occ.

μακροθυμίαν � 4 Occ.

μακροθυμίας � 4 Occ.



Romans 2:4 N-GFS

GRK: καὶ τῆς μακροθυμίας καταφρονεῖς ἀγνοῶν

NAS: and tolerance and patience, not knowing

KJV: and longsuffering; not knowing

INT: and the patience despise you not knowing



Romans 9:22 N-DFS

GRK: ἐν πολλῇ μακροθυμίᾳ σκεύη ὀργῆς

NAS: with much patience vessels

KJV: much longsuffering the vessels

INT: in much patience vessels of wrath



2 Corinthians 6:6 N-DFS

GRK: γνώσει ἐν μακροθυμίᾳ ἐν χρηστότητι

NAS: in knowledge, in patience, in kindness,

KJV: by longsuffering, by

INT: knowledge in patience in kindness



Galatians 5:22 N-NFS

GRK: χαρά εἰρήνη μακροθυμία χρηστότης ἀγαθωσύνη

NAS: peace, patience, kindness,

KJV: peace, longsuffering, gentleness,

INT: joy peace patience kindness goodness



Ephesians 4:2 N-GFS

GRK: πραΰτητος μετὰ μακροθυμίας ἀνεχόμενοι ἀλλήλων

NAS: and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance

KJV: with longsuffering, forbearing

INT: gentleness with patience bearing with one another



Colossians 1:11 N-AFS

GRK: ὑπομονὴν καὶ μακροθυμίαν μετὰ χαρᾶς

NAS: steadfastness and patience; joyously

KJV: and longsuffering with

INT: endurance and patience with joy



Colossians 3:12 N-AFS

GRK: ταπεινοφροσύνην πραΰτητα μακροθυμίαν

NAS: humility, gentleness and patience;

KJV: meekness, longsuffering;

INT: humility gentleness patience



1 Timothy 1:16 N-AFS

GRK: τὴν ἅπασαν μακροθυμίαν πρὸς ὑποτύπωσιν

NAS: His perfect patience as an example

KJV: all longsuffering, for

INT: the perfect patience for a pattern



2 Timothy 3:10 N-DFS

GRK: πίστει τῇ μακροθυμίᾳ τῇ ἀγάπῃ

NAS: faith, patience, love,

KJV: faith, longsuffering, charity,

INT: faith the patience the love



2 Timothy 4:2 N-DFS

GRK: ἐν πάσῃ μακροθυμίᾳ καὶ διδαχῇ

NAS: with great patience and instruction.

KJV: with all longsuffering and doctrine.

INT: with all patience and teaching



Hebrews 6:12 N-GFS

GRK: πίστεως καὶ μακροθυμίας κληρονομούντων τὰς

NAS: faith and patience inherit

KJV: and patience inherit

INT: faith and patience inherit the



James 5:10 N-GFS

GRK: καὶ τῆς μακροθυμίας τοὺς προφήτας

NAS: of suffering and patience, take

KJV: and of patience.

INT: and of patience the prophets



1 Peter 3:20 N-NFS

GRK: τοῦ θεοῦ μακροθυμία ἐν ἡμέραις

NAS: when the patience of God

KJV: once the longsuffering of God

INT: of God patience in [the] days



2 Peter 3:15 N-AFS

GRK: κυρίου ἡμῶν μακροθυμίαν σωτηρίαν ἡγεῖσθε

NAS: and regard the patience of our Lord

KJV: account [that] the longsuffering of our

INT: Lord of us patience salvation esteem you



14 Occurrences







Strong's Concordance

makrothum�s: with forbearance, patiently

Original Word: μακροθύμως

Part of Speech: Adverb

Transliteration: makrothum�s

Phonetic Spelling: (mak-roth-oo-moce')

Short Definition: patiently

Definition: with longsuffering, patiently.

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Cognate: 3116 makrothymṓs (an adverb) � patiently; literally, showing passion that is under control (used only in Ac 26:3). See 3115 (makrothymia).

Strong's Greek 3116

1 Occurrence



μακροθύμως � 1 Occ.



Acts 26:3 Adv

GRK: διὸ δέομαι μακροθύμως ἀκοῦσαί μου

NAS: I beg you to listen to me patiently.

KJV: to hear me patiently.

INT: therefore I implore [you] patiently to hear me



1 Occurrence



Here is one more Greek word for 'longsuffering.

English- longsuffreing

Greek-hupomon�

Strong's Concordance

hupomon�: a remaining behind, a patient enduring

Original Word: ὑπομονή, ῆς, ἡ

Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

Transliteration: hupomon�

Phonetic Spelling: (hoop-om-on-ay')

Short Definition: endurance, steadfastness

Definition: endurance, steadfastness, patient waiting for.

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5281 hypomonḗ (from 5259 /hyp�, "under" and 3306 /m�nō, "remain, endure") � properly, remaining under, endurance; steadfastness, especially as God enables the believer to "remain (endure) under" the challenges He allots in life.



A few places where 'hupomone' is used.

Englishman's Concordance

Strong's Greek 5281

32 Occurrences



ὑπομονῇ � 13 Occ.

ὑπομονὴν � 11 Occ.

ὑπομονῆς � 8 Occ.



Luke 8:15 N-DFS

GRK: καρποφοροῦσιν ἐν ὑπομονῇ

NAS: and bear fruit with perseverance.

KJV: bring forth fruit with patience.

INT: bring forth fruit by perseverance



Luke 21:19 N-DFS

GRK: ἐν τῇ ὑπομονῇ ὑμῶν κτήσασθε

NAS: By your endurance you will gain

KJV: In your patience possess ye your

INT: By the endurance of you gain



Romans 2:7 N-AFS

GRK: μὲν καθ' ὑπομονὴν ἔργου ἀγαθοῦ

NAS: to those who by perseverance in doing

KJV: To them who by patient continuance in well

INT: indeed with endurance in work good



Romans 5:3 N-AFS

GRK: ἡ θλίψις ὑπομονὴν κατεργάζεται

NAS: brings about perseverance;

KJV: tribulation worketh patience;

INT: the tribulation endurance produces



Romans 5:4 N-NFS

GRK: ἡ δὲ ὑπομονὴ δοκιμήν ἡ

NAS: and perseverance, proven

KJV: And patience, experience; and

INT: and endurance character



Romans 8:25 N-GFS

GRK: ἐλπίζομεν δι' ὑπομονῆς ἀπεκδεχόμεθα

NAS: we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly

KJV: with patience wait for

INT: we hope for in patience we await



2 Corinthians 1:6 N-DFS

GRK: ἐνεργουμένης ἐν ὑπομονῇ τῶν αὐτῶν

NAS: which is effective in the patient enduring of the same

KJV: in the enduring of the same

INT: being done in [the] endurance of the same



2 Corinthians 6:4 N-DFS

GRK: διάκονοι ἐν ὑπομονῇ πολλῇ ἐν

NAS: in much endurance, in afflictions,

KJV: in much patience, in afflictions,

INT: servants in endurance much in



2 Thessalonians 3:5 N-AFS

GRK: εἰς τὴν ὑπομονὴν τοῦ χριστοῦ

NAS: of God and into the steadfastness of Christ.

KJV: into the patient waiting for Christ.

INT: into the steadfastness of Christ



1 Timothy 6:11 N-AFS

GRK: πίστιν ἀγάπην ὑπομονήν πραϋπαθίαν

NAS: love, perseverance [and] gentleness.

KJV: faith, love, patience, meekness.

INT: faith love endurance gentleness



2 Timothy 3:10 N-DFS

GRK: ἀγάπῃ τῇ ὑπομονῇ

NAS: patience, love, perseverance,

KJV: longsuffering, charity, patience,

INT: love the endurance



Titus 2:2 N-DFS

GRK: ἀγάπῃ τῇ ὑπομονῇ

NAS: in faith, in love, in perseverance.

KJV: in faith, in charity, in patience.

INT: in love in endurance



Hebrews 10:36 N-GFS

GRK: ὑπομονῆς γὰρ ἔχετε

NAS: need of endurance, so

KJV: need of patience, that,

INT: endurance indeed you have



Hebrews 12:1 N-GFS

GRK: ἁμαρτίαν δι' ὑπομονῆς τρέχωμεν τὸν

NAS: us, and let us run with endurance the race

KJV: with patience the race

INT: sin with endurance we should run the



James 1:3 N-AFS

GRK: πίστεως κατεργάζεται ὑπομονήν

NAS: of your faith produces endurance.

KJV: faith worketh patience.

INT: faith produces endurance



James 1:4 N-NFS

GRK: ἡ δὲ ὑπομονὴ ἔργον τέλειον

NAS: And let endurance have [its] perfect

KJV: But let patience have [her] perfect

INT: and [the] endurance work perfect



James 5:11 N-AFS

GRK: ὑπομείναντας τὴν ὑπομονὴν Ἰὼβ ἠκούσατε

NAS: You have heard of the endurance of Job

KJV: Ye have heard of the patience of Job,

INT: having endured The endurance of Job you have heard of



2 Peter 1:6 N-AFS

GRK: ἐγκρατείᾳ τὴν ὑπομονήν ἐν δὲ

NAS: and in [your] self-control, perseverance, and in [your] perseverance,

KJV: to temperance patience; and to

INT: self-control the endurance in moreover



2 Peter 1:6 N-DFS

GRK: δὲ τῇ ὑπομονῇ τὴν εὐσέβειαν

NAS: perseverance, and in [your] perseverance, godliness,

KJV: and to patience godliness;

INT: moreover the endurance the godliness



Now that we have a good definition of longsuffering,we find in the Word of GOD that longsuffering does not necessarily constitute having to have

physical pai;

There may be more anguish mentally then anything else.





Sisygirl:

* How does one obtain a transformed/renewed mind or what is a renewed mind at all?



GNWS:

Again,let us look into the Word of GOD Almighty to find what ABBA says about be 'renewed' in ones mind.

Sisygirl,please be mindful that there are some which teach and believe that a person does not need to be using their ' mind' when studying the Scriptres



English- transformed / renewed

Greek-metamorpho

Strong's Concordance

metamorpho�: to transform

Original Word: μεταμορφόω

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: metamorpho�

Phonetic Spelling: (met-am-or-fo'-o)

Short Definition: I change the form, transform

Definition: I transform, transfigure.

HELPS Word-studies



3339 metamorph�ō (from 3326 /met�, "change after being with" and 3445 /morph�ō, "changing form in keeping with inner reality") � properly, transformed after being with; transfigured.



[3339 (metamorph�ō) is the root of the English terms "metamorphosis" and "metamorphize."]



Englishman's Concordance

Strong's Greek 3339

4 Occurrences



μεταμορφούμεθα � 1 Occ.

μεταμορφοῦσθε � 1 Occ.

μετεμορφώθη � 2 Occ.



Matthew 17:2 V-AIP-3S

GRK: καὶ μετεμορφώθη ἔμπροσθεν αὐτῶν

NAS: And He was transfigured before

KJV: And was transfigured before them:

INT: And he was transfigured before them



Mark 9:2 V-AIP-3S

GRK: μόνους καὶ μετεμορφώθη ἔμπροσθεν αὐτῶν

NAS: by themselves. And He was transfigured before

KJV: and he was transfigured before

INT: alone And he was transfigured before them



Romans 12:2 V-PMM/P-2P

GRK: τούτῳ ἀλλὰ μεταμορφοῦσθε τῇ ἀνακαινώσει

NAS: world, but be transformed by the renewing

KJV: but be ye transformed by the renewing

INT: this but be transformed by the renewing



2 Corinthians 3:18 V-PIM/P-1P

GRK: αὐτὴν εἰκόνα μεταμορφούμεθα ἀπὸ δόξης

NAS: of the Lord, are being transformed into the same

KJV: of the Lord, are changed into the same

INT: same image are being transformed from glory



4 Occurrences



Metamorphoo is what happens when a caterpillar becomes a butterfly.

The caterpillar does not become a butterfly overnight,this takes some time

called a process.

During the process of becoming a butterfly,the caterpillar is not beautiful,nor is it graceful in its moving about by crawling.

The caterpillar is destructive in its eating leaves from trees in order to grow.



Yet when the caterpillar becomes a butterfly we tend to forget that it was once a caterpillar.



To be transformed/ renewed in ones mind takes time,the first thing absolutely necessary is for a person to be a believer in Yeshua / Jesus.

A person needs to be taught how to read,study,understand,and translate the Word of GOD.

A person needs to pray with the Word of GOD Almighty.

One needs to meditate upon the Word pf GOD Almighty daily.

We need to discern the Word and will of GOD Almighty when we interact with others.

Share the Gospel with others,and fellowship with like minded believers.



These are just a few ways a person will be transformed in their mind.

Let us not forget that as a person s being transformed in their mind,that their heart will also be transformed,for As a man thinks in his / her heart so they are.









May the Lord bless you for rescuing me on this through your knowledge of answers to these questions.



Sisygirl,i hope this is helpful to you.



Shalom

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Posted : 12 Oct, 2014 05:21 PM

Hi sisygirl, another way you might try is google search your question, such as "how do I explain longsuffering to a child"

I found one site called (Bible fun for kids) that had some cool teaching tools you may like to teach or explain some kids questions about the bible in a meaningful way ... there may be many others too but just be careful and use your good discretion with what info you find and plan to use, pray and ask those you trust for suggestions if there is doubt ;)

http://kidsbibledebjackson.blogspot.com/2013/04/fruit-of-spirit.html

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Posted : 20 Oct, 2014 07:48 AM

Being a single guy I really dislike the word nice, so I will replace it with the word kind.



And yes true love is both kind and longsuffering. The Best example of this is that God the Father loved us so much that in His Kindness and His Son's along with the Holy Spirit's we see the truest form of Love. After all that humankind did to rebel again the Trinity, the Godhead came up with a plan that cost us nothing, but had a high price to all Three Members of the Godhead.



For even Jesus tells us of His Love for us:

Greater love hath no man than this that a Man should lay down His life for His friends.

John 15:13

Paul stated it this way:

But God commendeth His love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8



Christ Jesus Who as the Second Member of the Godhead, became poor for us that we might be made rich (spiritually) thru His poverty, II Corinthians 8:9.



This is truly longsuffering being totally righteousness as Christ Jesus was, but for His Greatest Kindness to us He took upon Himself our sins that we might be righteous, as the Apostle Paul states:

For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

II Corinthians 5:21



Christ Jesus was so kind that He was willing to suffer wrongfully for us all that He might bring us to His Father.



We even see the Apostle John calling the believers to this kind of love, I John 3:16-18.

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Posted : 21 Oct, 2014 06:13 AM

* The combination of love (that is often expressed as something nice) and longsuffering? (Why would something nice be associated with pain?)



There is pain in the world as a side effect of love. Being free to really love someone enables the opposite effect of being really free to hate something. God tried to give us an environment of love, trust, and freedom. We messed it up. Because God loves us, He's trying to get our trust back instead of simply erasing us. That includes letting us live and see the results of our choices. But make no mistake, God loves us and is actively pursuing us. He subjected Himself to human suffering, even unto death on the cross. He has not remained distant, He personally knows your pain, and justice will be done.



* How does one obtain a transformed/renewed mind or what is a renewed mind at all?



I believe a renewed mind is one that is "Self-aware". You hear about the quest for computers to become self-aware, it might surprise you that most humans are slaves to their bodies like a computer is a slave to it's circuitry. In order to be "born again" and have a renewed mind, we must crucify the flesh and it's lusts. We do that by seeing what Christ has done for us. If we look at Christ, understand who He was, and understand what a glorious sacrifice our Creator made for us in giving His Son and taking our punishment on Himself...it can only make us reflect on just how terrible we really are. We can't even love the ones we love, we continually hurt them, how can we love everyone like God does? If we can see that we are terrible people, and that God is offering us a return to a better way, it usually inspires us to be freed from sin and stop causing pain to everyone. We see the fruit of sin for what it is, it might be a temporary pride or pleasure at the expense of others, but the end of sin is always fear, vanity, and death. We see the fruit of what God wants for us, life, love, joy, peace, filled to overflowing. If we choose to deny the flesh and choose life from God, then we have started on the path of self-awareness, we've been born again, we have a new heart, we've been renewed, we've been saved from the clutches of sin by the sacrifice of Christ.



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