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Posted : 25 Dec, 2017 12:26 PM

A short simple 4 word question,

yet for all history "believers" have murdered one another over the answer.



However in modern civilized countries rather than murder them we just ban them from forums, kick them out of their place of worship, revoke their friendship, call them heretics or the devil himself, treating them as outcast.



What say you? - do you have the courage to tackle such a question?

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Posted : 12 Feb, 2018 09:11 PM

**DOES POPE FRANCIS WHOSE NAME IS JORGE *BER**GOG**LIO* QUALIFY TO BE THE FUTURE FALSE PROPHET OF **666**?? {Continued)



And so the False Prophet of **666** has a name **BER**GOG**LIO** that also adds up to **666**!!



Revelation 13:16-18: The False Prophet {**666**} will force all people to receive a mark on their right hands or their foreheads, so that no one could buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name {**666**}! This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a **MAN**. That number is ***666***!!



NOTE: **666** is called the beast exactly 36 or **6X6** times in Revelation!



Nero Caesar was the **6TH** Caesar who had Paul and Peter killed in AD **66** and his name adds up to exactly **666** in the Hebrew language!



Satan, **666*** and the False prophet **BER**GOG**LIO** whose name also adds up to **666** are also called **GOG** and they will rule all the nations of the world during the Great Tribulation called **MAGOG**.



It is interesting to note that in English Gematria **GOG** adds up to 29 and **MAGOG** adds up to 43 and so **GOG** and **MAGOG** add up to exactly 72 which is also **66+6**!! *G* is the 7th letter of the English alphabet, *O* is the 15th letter, *M* is the 13th letter and *A* is the 1st letter and so:



G =7 O=15 G=7 and M=13 A=1 G=7 O=15 G=7



And 7 + 15 + 7 + 13 + 1 + 7 + 15 +7 EQUALS EXACTLY *72* which is also **66+6**!!



Revelation 17:14: They {Satan, **666** and the False Prophet of **666** who are also called **GOG**} will make war against the **LANB** but the **LAMB** will triumph over them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings and with Him will be His **CALLED**, **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers!! {As per Revelation 19:7-20 & 20:10!}



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Posted : 13 Feb, 2018 05:14 PM

Hello Pastor



Am enclosing another Bible study on: **DOES POPE FRANCIS QUALIFY TO BE THE FUTURE FALSE PROPHET OF 666** and **WHAT ARE THE 7 BIBLE CLUES WHICH REVEAL THE IDENTITY OF 666**??



Your eternal friend in Jesus,



Richard



**DOES POPE FRANCIS WHOSE NAME IS **JORGE BER*GOG*LIO** QUALIFY TO BE THE FUTURE FALSE PROPHET OF 666**?? {Continued}



Isaiah 14:12-15: How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn. You have been cast down to the earth. You said in your heart, I will ascend, "I will ascend to the heavens. I will raise my throne above the stars of God... I will make myself like the Most High."



Then in Revelation 12:3-9 we read that just before the Great Tribulation Satan will invade heaven with one third of the angels who left with him, but Michael and heaven's angels will kick them out of heaven to earth. Then Satan will give authority to the beast{666} and the False Prophet of 666 to rule every nation of the world during the 42 month Great Tribulation. {Read Revelation 13:4-18}



In Revelation 4:6,8; 5:6,8,14; 6:1,6; 7:1; 14:3; 15:7; 19:4 we read about the **4** powerful Living Beings who surround God's throne in heaven. Most Evangelical Bible scholars believe that Satan was the **5TH** Living Being before he rebelled against God since he is much stronger than his angels. This is probably why Satan's worshipers always use the Pentagram or **5** pointed star in their worship services.



And so it is interesting to note that Satan's name adds up to exactly **55** in English Gematria. *S* is the 19th letter of the English alphabet and:



S = 19 A = 1 T = 20 A = 1 N = 14 and 19 + 1 + 20 + 1 + 14 EQUALS EXACTLY **55**!!



It is interesting to note that Pope Francis who qualifies to be the False Prophet of **666** and whose last name also adds up to **666**! has a first name **JORGE** that also adds up to Satan's number of **55**!!! who was the **5TH** Living Being and is always worshiped with a **5** pointed star!!



J = 10 O = 15 R = 18 G = 7 E = 5 and 10 + 15 + 18 + 7 + 5 EQUALS EXACTLY **55**!!





**WHAT ARE THE 7 BIBLE CLUES WHICH REVEAL THE IDENTITY OF 666**???



Revelation 13:17b,18: "The mark of the beast {Or antichrist} is the *NAME* of the Beast or the number of *HIS NAME*. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, *LET HIM* calculate the number of the Beast {Even in AD 96 when Revelation was written}, for it is a man's number {Or "Number of a MAN"}. *HIS* number is *666*." God has promised in the above inspired passage that any saint {Even in AD 96--which implies that the name was known in AD 96} with spiritual wisdom and insight may calculate the name of the beast which is a *MAN'S NAME* and adds up to 666.



During the last year of his rule Domitian Caesar decreed that everyone in the Roman Empire must worship idols of former Roman Caesar's or else they would be killed or put in prison. Historical documents show us that the Apostle John {Who then lived in Ephesus} lived to about AD 100 and therefore would have been alive during Domitian's evil decree of September AD 95 to September of AD 96. Since we can be sure that the Apostle John would never worship an idol of a Roman Caesar it is then highly probable that John was put in prison on Patmos Isle sometime during Domitian's evil decree from September AD 95 to September AD 96.



In Thess 2:3 the Beast of the End-Times is called a "*MAN* of sin or lawlessness" or very SINFUL MAN and therefore the name of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a *MAN'S* name which is also confirmed in Rev 13:17b,18 above. Therefore, the NAME of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a sinful *MAN'S NAME* and could not be the name of a woman or a city, country, computer or Satan, etc.. 666 is also identified with a MASCULINE pronoun 28 times in God's Word which we will show later.



Rev 13:16,17: "He {The False Prophet} forced everyone... to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name {666}. 666 is called a "BEAST" 36 {6x6} times in Revelation. The BEAST is a much better name than the antichrist since anti-christ is mentioned 5 times in God's Word {I John 2:18{2X}, 22; 4:3; 2 John 1:7} and each time the word encompasses all who are against Christ. Such as I John 2:18: "Even now many anti-christs have come."



666 is referred to in the MASCULINE gender 28 times and the Beast is never referred to in the feminine or neuter gender. It is interesting to note that if the Beast of the end-times will be a religious organization, country or city it would be referred to in the female or neuter gender!!! The masculine pronouns used for the Beast are "HIS" 11 times: Rev 13:1, 5,16b,18b; 14:9,11; 17:7b; 19:2; 20:4(2X) & Daniel 7:26. "HE" 10 times: Rev 13:1;6a,7a,7; 17:8b; 17:11; 2 Thess 2:6; Daniel 7:24,25 & Daniel 9:27. "HIM" 5 times: Rev 13:4b; 19:20; 2 Thess 2:6; Daniel 7:25 & Daniel 9:27. "HIMSELF" 2 times in 2 Thess 2:4.



Actually there are **7 BIBLE CLUES** that show who the BEAST of the future 1260-day Tribulation will be. By an amazing coincidence all 7 Bible clues can be applied to Nero Caesar!!



{{1}} The BEAST will be a "MAN OF SIN" or very sinful MAN as per 2 Thess 2:3 above.



{{2}} The number of this sinful man's name is 666 as per Rev 13:16-18. The Bible was written by 40 Divinely inspired Hebrews in Hebrew and Greek so then it is highly probable that this man's name adds up to 666 in Hebrew or Greek. Nero Caesar's name adds up to 666 in Hebrew which we will show later in this Bible study.



{{3}} This sinful man whose name adds up to 666 DIED BEFORE AD 96 when Revelation was written.{See Rev 17:8 below} We will show later why Revelation was written between Sept AD 95 and Sept AD 96. Nero Caesar lived from December 15th, AD 37 to June 9th AD 68.



{{4}} This sinful man who was alive and then died before AD 96 was FATALLY WOUNDED by a sword wound to his head. Nero Caesar committed suicide with a sword wound to his head on June 9th, AD 68. {See Rev 13:3 and Rev 13:14 below}



{{5}} This very sinful man who died before AD 96 was a KING in the Roman Empire as per Daniel 7:24. There were 11 Roman Kings or Caesars who died before AD 96 including the 6th Caesar {Nero Caesar} who killed Paul and Peter in AD 66; and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew. Domitian Caesar was the 12th Roman Caesar who was alive when Revelation was written in AD 96.



{{6}} The beast is also called an 8th KING who ruled before AD 96 as one of 7 evil KINGS crowned by the city on 7 hills. {See Rev 17:9-11}



{{7}} This very sinful ROMAN KING whose name adds up to 666 and who was fatally wounded by a sword before AD 96, will "COME UP FROM THE *ABYSS* or *HELL* as per Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8. We know that the ABYSS is HELL by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31. We can be sure that Nero Caesar is now in the Abyss or Hell since he killed Paul and Peter and thousands of Christians and sent Vespasian {the father of Titus and Domitian Caesar} to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. The MAN OF SIN or Nero also killed his own mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach. Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior". In Revelation 13:8a we learn that all the unsaved inhabitants of the world will worship the Beast.



Nero and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship - they were the only two Roman Caesars who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo. In 2 Thess 2:4 we read that the "Man of Sin" will proclaim that he is God! Revelation 17:8: The beast, which you saw, once was {alive}, Now {in AD 96} is not {alive} and will come up out of the ABYSS and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book life. ... will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was {Alive before AD 96}, now {In AD 96} is not {Alive} and yet will come. Rev 13:14: He {The False Prophet} will order the inhabitants of the earth to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived." Rev 13:3: �One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been HEALED!! The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. �



When I was a missionary in Israel I studied the Hebrew language. One of the first things that you learn when you study the OT Ancient Hebrew language {Which is also the language of Israel today!} is that the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet ALSO represent 22 numbers! When you read Psalm 119 you will note that the 176 sentences are divided into 22 sections; each section with 8 sentences or verses praising the Word of God. These 22 sections are each headed by one of the letters in the Hebrew alphabet in the exact same order as shown below. The ancient Hebrew language {Which is exactly the same as the modern Hebrew language} frequently used the letters of their alphabet to designate numbers in the OT as follows: ALEPH=1. BETH=2. GIMEL=3. DALET=4. HE=5. VAV=6. ZAYIN=7. CHETH=8. TETH=9. YODH=10. KAPH=20. LAMED=30. MEM=40. NUN=50. SAMEKH=60. AYIN=70. PE=80. TSADHE=90. KOPH=100. RESH=200. SHIN=300. TAV=400.



NOTE: Most vowel sounds except "O" {VAV} are not used as letters in Hebrew. These vowel sounds are designated by dots and dashes under their *PRECEDING* consonants. In Hebrew "N" is added on the end of all foreign names ending in "O". Therefore, the foreign name of Nero would be "NERON" in Hebrew. The name Nero Caesar would be pronounced Neron Kaysar in Hebrew. The "E" in Neron and the 2 "A" sounds in Kaysar {There is no "C" in Hebrew} are designated by dots and dashes under their preceding consonants and therefore are not letters in the 22 letter Hebrew alphabet, and so have no numerical value.



Neron in Hebrew would use 4 letters with numerical value: N-R-O-N and Kaysar in Hebrew would use 3 letters with numerical value: K-S-R. There would be a dot under the first N to show the "E" sound in NEron There would also be 2 dots under the "K" to show the "AY" sound in KAYsar and a dash under the "S" to show the "AH" sound in KaySAHr. The 4 letters with numerical value in NERON would be {SEE TABLE ABOVE} N = NUN = 50; R = RESH = 200; O = VAV = 6; and N = NUN = 50 and 50+20+6+50 equals 306. The 3 letters with numerical value in "KAYSAR would be K = KOPH = 100; S = SAMEKH = 60; and R = RESH =200 and 100+60+200 equals 360.



And so the numerical value of Nero in Hebrew is 306 and the numerical value of Caesar in Hebrew is 360, and therefore the numerical value of Nero Caesar is 306+360 or exactly *666*!



There is a very interesting footnote in the revised Standard Version concerning the number 666 which states that some ancient manuscripts have the number **616** which *DOUBLY* confirms that Nero Caesar may be the future Anti-Christ!! You will note that the Hebrew language adds an "N" to all foreign names ending in "O". Now "N" or "NUN" in Hebrew has a numerical value of **50**!! and so if you decided not to add the last "N" in NERON then Nero Caesar would add up to exactly *616* in Hebrew. This is an absolutely amazing coincidence!



Any honest Hebrew language scholar will confirm that the letters of Nero Caesar's name add up to 666 in the Hebrew language whose 22 letters are also 22 numbers as shown above, and the Bible was written by 40 Jews. Since all of the prophecies concerning the antichrist are written in OT Hebrew {Like Daniel 7:8-25} or NT Koine Greek it would then seem logical that God would use one of these 2 Bible languages to identify the Name of the Beast whose letters add up to 666. One of the problems of doing this in NT Koine Greek is that the letters of their alphabet are not also numbers. And therefore you can only assign a numerical value of 22 to the 22nd letter, etc.. Using this formula you could not get any name to add up to over 250, let alone 666. You have the same problem with English & all other languages other than the Hebrew language! The 3 different Greek words used in Rev 13:18b to arrive at the number 666 are the 3 different Greek words for 600 and 60 and 6 and not 6 +6 + 6.



And so the *6th Caesar {Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius & the *6th* was NERO} ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD *66*. NERO fulfilled *ALL 7 BIBLE CLUES as to the identity of *666 and will be the Beast who comes up from the Abyss {Or Hell-See Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8} in the coming Great Tribulation!!





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Posted : 15 Feb, 2018 08:07 PM

**THE PRE-TRIBBERS MAIN VERSES THAT THEY CLAIM PROVE THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE ARE LUKE 21:36, THESSALONIANS 4:15-18 AND I CORINTHIANS 15:51**



** But let us examine these verses in their complete context and compare them with other closely related Scriptures!**





Luke 21:34-36: Jesus says, "Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, Drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will come on **ALL THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH**! Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to **ESCAPE**{**FLEE FROM**} all that that is about to happen {In the Great Tribulation}, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man!"



The word "ESCAPE" is the Greek word" ek"-"pheugo", pheugo-TO FLEE, ek-OUT. Again the idea is "FLEEING FROM" not "rescued out of." Lot had the grace **TO FLEE** from Sodom, his wife did not. Her heart was too attached to the things of this world. This is why Jesus said, "Remember Lot's wife" (Luke 17:28-32). It is the same idea as in Rev 18:4: "Come out from among her (Babylon-Rome) least you be a partaker in her plagues". The Tribulation saints are commanded to flee from and escape from the many temptations of the Great Tribulation.



John 17:15: Jesus says, "My prayer is **NOT** that you take them out of this world but that you **PROTECT** them from the evil one!"



Matthew 24:3,9-13; 29-31: The disciples {CHURCH SAINTS} asked Jesus, "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?" Jesus replied, "Then you {CHURCH SAINTS} will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many **FALSE PROPHETS** {They will promise that you don't have to go thru the Great Tribulation} will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold but they who stands firm to the end will be saved.



Revelation 13:5,7-10: The Beast will be given authority for 42 months.. He will be given power to make war against the **SAINTS** and to conquer them... All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the **LAMB**. {**CHURCH SAINTS**} He who has an ear let him hear: If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the **SAINTS**!



**WILL THE RESURRECTION OF THE THESSALONIAN CHURCH SAINTS TAKE PLACE ON THE **SAME DAY** AS THE RESURRECTION OF THE UNSAVED**??



2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10: To the **CHURCH** of the Thessalonians... God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen **WHEN THE LORD JESUS IS **REVEALED** from heaven in **BLAZING GLORY** with His powerful angels {See Matt 24:29,30!}. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His might ***ON THE DAY*** He comes to glorified in His saints and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes **YOU** {Thessalonian CHURCH SAINTS**!!}



This Scripture absolutely contradicts the pre-trib belief that a secret silent rapture of the **THESSALONIAN CHURCH SAINTS** will take place 3 1/2 or 7 years **BEFORE** the unsaved are judged and sent to hell and not **ON THE DAY** that Jesus is **REVEALED**!!



John 6:40: Jesus says, "For My Father's will is that everyone {Church Saints!} who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the **LAST DAY!!" {Not 1260 days or 7 years before the **LAST DAY**}



John 12:48: There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words, the very words I spoke will condemn them at the {**SAME**} **LAST DAY**!!"



**THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURE ALSO SHOWS THAT ON THE SAME DAY AS THE RESURRECTION AND RAPTURE OF THE SAINTS THE LOST WILL ALSO BE DESTROYED**!!



I Thessalonians 4:15-18; 5:1-4: According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen **ASLEEP**. For the Lord will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the {**7TH & LAST**} TRUMPET call of God, and the **DEAD IN CHRIST** will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up the together with them {Or gathered as per Matt 24:31} in the air so we will be with the Lord forever! About times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the **DAY OF THE LORD** {ABOVE**} will come like a **THIEF IN THE NIGHT**{To unbelievers!!} While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly {**JUDGMENT OF THE LOST ON THE SAME DAY OF THE *DAY OF LORD* ABOVE!!} and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this {**LAST**} Day should surprise you like a thief. For you are all children of light and children of the {**LAST **} Day!



Revelation 3:3: Jesus says, **IF** you do not wake up. I will come like a thief and you {Unsaved} will not know at what time I will come to you!"



For once the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins all of God's saints will know the exact day that Jesus will come on the **LAST DAY**!!



**THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURES ARE RELATED TO THE 7TH AND LAST TRUMP MENTIONED IN I CORINTHIANS 15:51**!



The only 2 resurrections mentioned in Revelation are **POST-TRIB** and are found in Revelation 14:14-16 and Revelation 11:15-18 when the 7th and last angel sounds the **7TH AND LAST TRUMP**!!



Revelation 8:2: I saw the 7 angels who **STAND BEFORE GOD** and **7 TRUMPETS**

were given to them.



The first 6 trumpets will be sounded **DURING** not **BEFORE** the Great Tribulation!!



And then on the Last Day of the Great Tribulation just before the 2nd Coming of Jesus for **HIS CHURCH SAINTS** we read in:



Revelation 11:15,18: The 7th angel {*AND LAST*}sounded his {**LAST**} **TRUMPET**, an there were loud voices in heaven which said: "The Kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of His Messiah, and He will reign for ever and ever... The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great and for destroying those who destroy the earth!"



I Corinthians 15:50-52: I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Listen, I tell you a **MYSTERY** {See Rev 10:7 above}, we will not all sleep, but we **ALL** will be changed--in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, **AT THE LAST TRUMPET**. For the {7th & Last} **TRUMPET** will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and **WE** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} will be changed!!



While the pre-tribbers make the ridiculous claim that this **LAST TRUMP** in I Corinthians 15:51 when all the **CHURCH SAINTS** receive their new heavenly bodies; will take place at a pre-trib rapture just **BEFORE** the Great Tribulation even though the first 6 trumpets take place **DURING** the Great Tribulation???



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**THE PRE-TRIBBERS MAIN VERSES THAT THEY CLAIM PROVE THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE ARE LUKE 21:36, I THESSALONIANS 4:15-18, I CORINTHIANS 15:51, REVELATION 3:10 AND ROMANS 5:9**



** But let us examine these verses in their complete context and compare them with other closely related Scriptures!**



NOTE: You would think that the Rapture and Resurrection of the CHURCH SAINTS** just **BEFORE** the Great Tribulation would be the **MOST IMPORTANT CENTRAL THEME** in the Olivet Prophecies but there is absolutely **NO MENTION** of a pre-trib rapture in Matthew 24,25, Mark 13 and Luke 21! Whereas, the glorious resurrection **APPEARANCE** of Jesus on the **LAST DAY** is mentioned 4 times in Matthew 24:30,31, Matthew 25:31, Mark 13:26,27 and Luke 21:27,28!! There is also **NO MENTION** of a pre-trib rapture in all the Prophecies related to the End-Times in Revelation! Whereas, the Post-Trib Resurrection is mentioned in Revelation 11:15-18 and Revelation 14:14-16!!



**THE CONTEXT OF LUKE 21:36**!



Luke 21:34-36: Jesus says, "Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, Drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will come on **ALL THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH**! Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to **ESCAPE**{**FLEE FROM**} all that that is about to happen {In the Great Tribulation}, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man!"



The word "ESCAPE" is the Greek word" ek"-"pheugo", pheugo-TO FLEE, ek-OUT. Again the idea is "FLEEING FROM" not "rescued out of." Lot had the grace **TO FLEE** from Sodom, his wife did not. Her heart was too attached to the things of this world. This is why Jesus said, "Remember Lot's wife" (Luke 17:28-32). It is the same idea as in Rev 18:4: "Come out from among her (Babylon-Rome) least you be a partaker in her plagues". The Tribulation saints are commanded to flee from and escape from the many temptations of the Great Tribulation.



John 17:15: Jesus says, "My prayer is **NOT** that you take them out of this world but that you **PROTECT** them from the evil one!"



Matthew 24:3,9-13; 29-31: The disciples {CHURCH SAINTS} asked Jesus, "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?" Jesus replied, "Then you {CHURCH SAINTS} will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many **FALSE PROPHETS** {They will promise that you don't have to go thru the Great Tribulation} will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold but they who stands firm to the end will be saved.



Revelation 13:5,7-10: The Beast will be given authority for 42 months.. He will be given power to make war against the **SAINTS** and to conquer them... All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the **LAMB**. {**CHURCH SAINTS**} He who has an ear let him hear: If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the **SAINTS**!



**WILL THE RESURRECTION OF THE THESSALONIAN CHURCH SAINTS TAKE PLACE ON THE **SAME DAY** AS THE RESURRECTION OF THE UNSAVED**??



2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10: To the **CHURCH** of the Thessalonians... God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen **WHEN THE LORD JESUS IS **REVEALED** from heaven in **BLAZING GLORY** with His powerful angels {See Matt 24:29,30!}. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His might ***ON THE DAY*** He comes to glorified in His saints and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes **YOU** {Thessalonian CHURCH SAINTS**!!}



This Scripture absolutely contradicts the pre-trib belief that a secret silent rapture of the **THESSALONIAN CHURCH SAINTS** will take place 3 1/2 or 7 years **BEFORE** the unsaved are judged and sent to hell and not **ON THE DAY** that Jesus is **REVEALED**!!



John 6:40: Jesus says, "For My Father's will is that everyone {Church Saints!} who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the **LAST DAY!!" {Not 1260 days or 7 years before the **LAST DAY**}



John 12:48: There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words, the very words I spoke will condemn them at the {**SAME**} **LAST DAY**!!"



**THE FOLLOWING CONTEXT OF I THESSALONIANS 4:15-18 ALSO SHOWS THAT ON THE SAME DAY AS THE RESURRECTION AND RAPTURE OF THE SAINTS: THE LOST WILL ALSO BE DESTROYED**!!



I Thessalonians 4:15-18; 5:1-4: According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen **ASLEEP**. For the Lord will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the {**7TH & LAST**} TRUMPET call of God, and the **DEAD IN CHRIST** will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up the together with them {Or gathered as per Matt 24:31} in the air so we will be with the Lord forever! About times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the **DAY OF THE LORD** {ABOVE**} will come like a **THIEF IN THE NIGHT**{To unbelievers!!} While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly {**JUDGMENT OF THE LOST ON THE SAME DAY OF THE *DAY OF LORD* ABOVE!!} and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this {**LAST**} Day should surprise you like a thief. For you are all children of light and children of the {**LAST **} Day!



For once the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins all of God's saints will know the exact day that Jesus will come on the **LAST DAY**!!



**THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURES ARE RELATED TO THE 7TH AND LAST TRUMP MENTIONED IN I CORINTHIANS 15:51**!



The only 2 resurrections mentioned in Revelation are **POST-TRIB** and are found in Revelation 14:14-16 and Revelation 11:15-18 when the 7th and last angel sounds the **7TH AND LAST TRUMP**!!



Revelation 8:2: I saw the 7 angels who **STAND BEFORE GOD** and **7 TRUMPETS**

were given to them.



The first 6 trumpets will be sounded **DURING** not **BEFORE** the Great Tribulation!!



And then on the Last Day of the Great Tribulation just before the 2nd Coming of Jesus for **HIS CHURCH SAINTS** we read in:



Revelation 11:15,18: The 7th angel {*AND LAST*}sounded his {**LAST**} **TRUMPET**, an there were loud voices in heaven which said: "The Kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of His Messiah, and He will reign for ever and ever... The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great and for destroying those who destroy the earth!"



I Corinthians 15:50-52: I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Listen, I tell you a **MYSTERY** {See Rev 10:7 above}, we will not all sleep, but we **ALL** will be changed--in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, **AT THE LAST TRUMPET**. For the {7th & Last} **TRUMPET** will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and **WE** {**CHURCH SAINTS**} will be changed!!



While the pre-tribbers make the ridiculous claim that this **LAST TRUMP** in I Corinthians 15:51 when all the **CHURCH SAINTS** receive their new heavenly bodies; will take place at a pre-trib rapture just **BEFORE** the Great Tribulation even though the first 6 trumpets take place **DURING** the Great Tribulation???



Before quoting **REVELATION 3:10** several important items should be mentioned:



Revelation 1:19: Jesus said to John, "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is **NOW** {Chapters 2 and 3} and what will take place **LATER**!"{The rest of Revelation}



During the last year of Domitian's reign from September AD 95 to September AD 96 he decreed that everyone in the Roman World Empire must worship idols of former Roman Caesar's or else be killed or put in prison! Because of this decree the Apostle John was put in prison on the island of Patmos when he received the book of Revelation!



Revelation 1:9: I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus!



All the words of Jesus to the 7 churches in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 were related to events that were taking place in AD 96 and there are no references on what would happen during the future Great Tribulation. For example:



Revelation 1:8,10; Jesus said, "To the church of Smyrna write... Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for **10 DAYS**!! {Whereas the Tribulation saints will be persecuted for 1260 days!} Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life!!"



Revelation 3:1: Jesus said, "To the church of Philadelphia {In AD 96}... Since you have kept My command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is to come on the whole {Roman} world to test those who live on the earth!"



However, Jesus did not make this same promise To the church of Smyrna saints in AD 96 or to the future Tribulation saints:



Matthew 24:3,9-13; 29-31: The disciples {CHURCH SAINTS} asked Jesus, "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?" Jesus replied, "Then you {CHURCH SAINTS} will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many **FALSE PROPHETS** {They will promise that you don't have to go thru the Great Tribulation} will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold but they who stands firm to the end will be saved.



Revelation 13:5,7-10: The Beast will be given authority for 42 months.. He will be given power to make war against the **SAINTS** and to conquer them... All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the **LAMB**. {**CHURCH SAINTS**} He who has an ear let him hear: If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the **SAINTS**!



Revelation 12:11: They triumphed over him {666} by the blood of the **LAMB** and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!!





**AND THEN THE PRE-TRIBBERS QUOTE THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURES:



Romans 5:9: Since we have been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from **GOD'S WRATH** through Him!.



I Thessalonians 5:9: God did not appoint us to suffer **WRATH** but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ!



However, God's Tribulation saints will not be hurt by **GOD'S WRATH** during the Great Tribulation! The horrific 7 Trumpet Plagues and 7 Bowl Plagues and eternal torment in Hell; are reserved only for the unbelievers and will not hurt God's saints in any way just as the 10 Old Testament Egyptian plagues miraculously did not hurt any of God's people; as shown by the following Scripture:



Revelation 9:4-6: They were told to only harm those people who did not have the seal of God on their heads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for 5 months. During these days men will seek death, but will not find it they will long to die but death will elude them.



Revelation 9:18,20,21: A third of mankind will be killed by the plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that comes out of their mouths.... The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands, they did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold... Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their

thefts!



Revelation 16:2: The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image!



Revelation 16:6: They have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink as they deserve!



Revelation 16:9: They were seared by the intense heat and cursed the name of God who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify Him!



Revelation 16:10: Men gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.



Revelation 14:9,10: If anyone worships the Beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of **HIS WRATH** He will be tormented with burning sulfur...and the smoke of their torment rises for ever

and ever!



Of course God's Word promises that Christians will suffer Great Tribulation and become **MARTYRS** in the present Church Age. Missionary Societies have conservatively estimated that there have been over 40,000 Christian **MARTYRS in the past year mainly in Africa and the Middle East and even in the United States

there were 26 Christian Texas Church **MARTYRS**. It is conservatively estimated that the Roman Catholic Church killed over 40 million Christian martyrs; The Communists: like Russia, China, Viet Nam and North Korea killed about 35 million saints; The Nazi's killed about 25 million Christians and Jews and the Muslims killed about 25 million saints from AD 700 to the present. Pre-tribbers rarely preach about all of these Christian Martyrs or the many eternal rewards for Martyrs.



The following Words of God can not be found in the pre-tribbers Bible:



Romans 8:35-37: �Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For your sake **WE FACE DEATH ALL DAY LONG**; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us!�



I Peter 2:20b,21: �But if you **SUFFER FOR DOING GOOD** and endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow **IN HIS STEPS**



John 13:34; Jesus says, "A new command I give: Love on another, **AS I HAVE LOVED YOU**, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are My disciples! John 15:12-13: Jesus says, "My command is this: Love one another **AS I HAVE LOVED YOU**. Greater love has no one as this: **TO LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE** for one's friends. You are My friends if you do what I command!!"{MARTYRS like Peter, Paul Stephen and **JRSUS**}



I Peter 4:12,13: �Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But **REJOICE THAT YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST**, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is *REVEALED!�



Matthew 5:10-12 Jesus says, �Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. **REJOICE** and be glad, because **GREAT IS YOUR REWARD** in heaven!!"



2 Timothy 3:12: �In fact, **EVERYONE** who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted!�



Romans 5:3: �But we **REJOICE IN OUR SUFFERINGS** because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope!



Philippians 1:29: For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on Him, but also to **SUFFER FOR HIM**!



Philippians 3:10: �I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of **SHARING IN HIS SUFFERINGS**!



Revelation 12:11: They triumphed over him {666} by the blood of the **LAMB** and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!!



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