Was false teacher Billy Graham right when he implied doctrine isn’t important, just have love⁉️
Posted : 24 Apr, 2024 05:02 PM
W&T: None are perfect. But of those not perfect, I see Billy Graham in heaven and a whole lot of people there through him.
LD: Based on scripture, Billy graham’s bad works would have been burned up.
Did you know it’s a fact, that unknown humble obedient men and women living out their lives as witnesses for Jesus Christ everyday have done more for the kingdom of God than Billy Graham has ever done. These are the facts. You can think what you want but have you examined follow up studies of supposed converts who came forward at Billy Graham’s crusades⁉️You might be discouraged with the results when you realize how many actually continued in the faith. Lots of money spent for so little.
God is in the habit of using the weak things of the world to confound those who think they are “wise” big money evangelists
Was false teacher Billy Graham right when he implied doctrine isn’t important, just have love⁉️
Posted : 24 Apr, 2024 04:59 PM
W&T: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Corinthians 1:12-13)
LD: Exactly, so why are on the Billy Graham band wagon defending him? You should be like Paul pointing out Peter’s (Billy Graham’s) obvious error so that other people aren’t snagged into error
W&T: 1 Corinthians 3: 4-15 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings? 5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. 7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.
LD: Now you’re turning Paul’s admonition into a bundle of contradiction. Haven’t you read about Paul taking Peter to task for leading Barnabas and a bunch of other people astray? It’s all detailed in the letter to the Galatians?
I’m trying to do the same as Paul regarding the false teachings and errors of Billy Graham
10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
W&T: Billy Graham was a good man. He did the will of God.
LD: False teaching is not the will of God
W&T: He was a good steward of the time and talents the Lord gave him. He had the respect of many. Even people who were not in Christ and not believers respected Graham for his earnest devotion to the Gospel of Christ Jesus.
LD: What about: Luke 6:26 that says: Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.Many people didn’t and still don’t speak well of Christ or the Prophets.
Further, You’re doing exactly what Paul said not to do in the verses you quoted. You’re defending Billy Graham instead of fact checking his teachings with the word of God. It seems you’re trying to cover his faults instead of helping other people avoid them.
Just because everyone likes a person doesn’t make that person right in the eyes of God. In the case of Paul and Peter, you can bet some people opposed Paul for rebuking Peter. Peter’s actions were leading others astray? But you can be sure Peter had his defenders. Nevertheless, Peter took the high road and changed course.
Was false teacher Billy Graham right when he implied doctrine isn’t important, just have love⁉️
Posted : 24 Apr, 2024 04:53 PM
W&T: There is always a divide in our opinions. In oneself, there are many divides. You could argue a thousand points within yourself alone without there being any other person upon this site or upon the earth. We have arguments within ourselves. We can represent all sides.
LD: Yet another argument from silence. Please list the contrary arguments that you’re alluding to. I’ve been on this site for quite some time and my arguments are fairly consistent.
W&T: Billy Graham represented Christ and him crucified and him raised from the dead and him being the Son of God who came to take away the sin of the world and that whoever put his faith in him would be saved. He was pretty simple in that. The simple Gospel Good News!
LD: I agree but that’s only when he stuck to evangelism. It’s the other stuff he taught that makes him controversial. Even Mormons preach the gospel but it’s the other stuff they add to it that makes them cultish
W&T: Yes, we are all wrong on somethings. We are usually not wrong on everything.
LD: I agree, but some people are unlike Peter, they won’t admit error even when it is clearly presented to them
W&T: But I have reasons to question my own judgment. I am not the standard for truth.
LD: I agree with you 100%, l question your judgements too, especially on this thread. 😇
W&T: The idea is that the Bible is the standard for truth and reliable. But therein, there are many disagreements that don't end.
LD: The Bible IS the standard, you’re right. So when are you going to join me in defending its truth instead of defending those who create false disagreements and who make the truth unclear? 😇
Was false teacher Billy Graham right when he implied doctrine isn’t important, just have love⁉️
Posted : 24 Apr, 2024 04:48 PM
Furthermore, if your invalid interpretation of, “God being the same yesterday…” is correct, then God is still creating the earth and Jesus must still be on the cross‼️
God and Jesus are the same but only in the sense the Holy Spirit intended to convey the concept of sameness. I would encourage you to check out the fuller context of that verse
W&T: I think Billy Graham did his job while on earth. I think he led more to Christ than he led away from Christ. I think colleges have led away more people from Jesus Christ than Billy Graham ever had. I do not know one person that Billy Graham led away from the Lord…”
LD: These are more invalid arguments from silence. You continue to beg the question with your propositions that begin with, “I think…”. This is how evolutionists argue for evolution.
W&T: ”…unless by his teaching Billy has led you away from the Lord by his opinion on some topic that was not the Gospel.
LD: Billy Graham did not lead me away from Christ or the gospel. Billy Graham led me away from Billy Graham
Was false teacher Billy Graham right when he implied doctrine isn’t important, just have love⁉️
Posted : 24 Apr, 2024 04:46 PM
W&T: Many people gained faith in Jesus Christ because of Billy Graham.
LD: True
W&T: One of his crusades was in the Soviet Union and the Red Army beautifully sang a hymn. The world was amazed and astounded. It was a beautiful rendition in a country that was known for Hating God and being atheists. That itself was a miracle deserving of attention. Rick Renner being in Russia and having a gospel outreach out of Russia by his own words was "UNLIKELY" but God made it happen.
LD: If you think communists, who are hardcore atheists and God haters, were suddenly willing to allow God into their country, think again. Communists are known for staging media events strictly for its positive optics to sway world opinion. This is a well known fact. Do you honestly believe the communist allowed an uncensored Russian Bully Graham crusade to air all over on communist networks⁉️Things like this are designed for worldwide consumption not so the Russian people will repent.
You don’t become a hardened warrior in the Red Army by bowing to Christianity‼️‼️ Pretending to be Christian is an old trick played by all kinds of communists and Nazis. Why do you think travel routes through communist countries go through wealthy neighborhoods instead of neighborhoods made poor by communist economic policies. Nice neighborhoods no doubt belong to members of the ruling class and travel routes are supposed to showcase communist “prosperity”⁉️ It’s all about propaganda‼️ W&T: God is the same yesterday, today and forever. So miracles must still happen. There are moving's of God that are not noticed by us. Nonetheless, they are there. I do not see everything that is going on. I do not notice everything that is going on. Still a vast and infinite wealth of things with infinite detail is going on before us without our notice or knowledge and God holds it all together in the palm of his hand. I don't know the detail. But God does.
LD: This is an invalid argument from silence. You said earlier that God is the same yesterday and today, now you’re implying he’s different because nowadays nobody can see his modern miracles! When Jesus and the Apostles were on earth, their miracles were performed in public or the public was clearly aware of them. But you’re saying miracles happen today but no one sees them or knows about them? So which is it?
Was false teacher Billy Graham right when he implied doctrine isn’t important, just have love⁉️
Posted : 24 Apr, 2024 12:39 PM
Please read 2 Samuel 13 in its entirety and see if you can find a trace of Ammon’s “unconstitutional sacrificial (agape) love” for Tamar!!
Dictionaries help us define the various ranges of meanings a word has but the context in which the word appears determines which range of meaning applies
Was false teacher Billy Graham right when he implied doctrine isn’t important, just have love⁉️
Posted : 24 Apr, 2024 12:21 PM
W&T, I’m still in the process of answering your previous questions and comments but I don’t mind you posting more.
But you tend to post more things you don’t understand.
For example, your misunderstanding of agape love.
Words, including biblical words for love, are defined by context not necessarily by the words range of meaning.
Check out agape love as translated in the following verse from the Septuagint into English from 2 Samuel 13:15
And Amnon hated her with very great hatred, for so great was the hatred with which he hated her, greater wickedness than was at the first and far more than the love with which he loved her. And Amnon said to her, “Get up and get out!” (2 Samuel 13 and see if you can find self-sacrificing love in action.
Don’t take my word for it, look it up for yourself. Clearly Amnon “loved” (agaped) Tamar so much he raped her. So where’s the “sacrificial agape” love you’re speaking about?
Was false teacher Billy Graham right when he implied doctrine isn’t important, just have love⁉️
Posted : 24 Apr, 2024 08:57 AM
W&T: Many young people have lost their faith because they went to college. Many young people have lost their faith because they took a religious class in college where the teacher put down their religion and made fun of everything that they were taught prior to coming to college.
LD: You’re right but the reason they lost their faith was because they were not sufficiently well grounded biblically to withstand atheists assaults
W&T: Not many people have lost their faith because of Billy Graham.
LD: According to polling of young people, the kind of preaching similar to Billy Graham’s and others who question the Genesis account of creation, most certainly impacted the immature faith of maturing young people. This has been proven.
