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shepherdingking View Profile	question for men 50 and older---though anyone can answer Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 04:35 PM Sara was 10 years younger than Abraham. That's the only age difference I know of in the bible. 10 years or less, but I will talk with any age, just not just for dating.
shepherdingking View Profile	Fornication Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 04:25 PM "The 10 ccommandments were introduced during the time of Moses. when Jesus died that introduced salvation." Actually, the promise of salvation came before Moses and Salvation before the foundations of the world.. The 12 spies were under the Law but only two of them were true believers of the promise by faith. We are saved by faith and none are made righteous by the keeping the Law.
shepherdingking View Profile	Is sexual intimacy acceptable for Christian Men or Women? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 02:54 PM cowgirl1984 These Old Testament examples are all fornication because they involve another man's wife (adultery) or a virgin playing the harlot in her fathers house. But There are some who say that even married people having sex is fornication or adultery, because re-married people are living in sin while their first spouse is alive. Fornication from the Greek "Pornia" literally means an image of harlotry. Jesus said lust in the heart or image of harlotry on the brain is the same thing. If you marry someone with pornia on the brain you will become one with an Idolater. Marriage does not make it right. and you cannot really know how others might be in lust or in love, because it is in the heart. But sexual intimacy, the real deal, is not sin. Fornication is not the real sexual intimacy that God created for us. IOW, There is a right way & wrong way. And the bible clearly says we should look to the good things not the bad. :waving:
shepherdingking View Profile	What is a marriage? Posted : 14 Oct, 2010 10:41 AM That is when you do not recognize a legitimate divorce and remarriage, and call it fornication because they are still married in "God's eyes" making the 2nd marriage a sin or adultery. If this is not you who claim Chistians enter into adulterous marriages if they do not have biblical grounds for a divorce then some one else must of said it. If two people are married or divorced according to the law of the land why is it not "what a marriage is"? If you say people should be married according to the law of the land, why are they not ;egally divorced and remarried by the law of the land. You, or whoever it was seems to want it both ways. My contension is these so called christian teaches are making marriage much more complicated than God intended. It should not be that hard to define marriage.
shepherdingking View Profile	Fornication Posted : 13 Oct, 2010 12:55 PM The covenant is not the marriage. Adam made no covenant with Eve. The covenant language in Malichi2 and Proverbs that mention covenant of youth or marriage is talking about the covenant God made with HIS own covenant people. They were not to marry outsiders/pagans. WHY,Because God wanted to raise up a Godly seed through HIS people from Adam to Jesus, that the world through HIM would be saved. It has nothing to do with covenant vows made for a marriage in "God's eyes." Nowhere is that covenant commanded in the bible. In fact the whole idea of covenant marriage has been invented during my lifetime in response to the terrible epidemic of divorce in the world, and now in the church. This is what it means to smash your own opinion into scripture to make it what you want it to be, back at ya. BTW, if you attack me and my motives it really a confesion you have no answer.

shepherdingking View Profile	What is a marriage? Posted : 13 Oct, 2010 12:32 PM I see a very clear attempt to oversimplify marriage. But this topic is too important to be pushed aside by bible bullies. Anyone who says sex in the confines of marriage is fornication needs to be challenged. Jesus gave a definition of marriage by quoting the Old Testament. Paul again quotes this scripture when he says it is a mystery. Eph 5:31-33, �For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.� 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. A mystery by definition is yet to be discovered. Do you really know what it means to be a Christian before you become one. No it is a mystery, we go by faith and understand more and more as we draw closer to the LORD. Marriage likewise, is something we do not know until we get into it. And sometimes it is not quite what we thought it would be. You might even say each case is a little different. But at the same time each case is exactly alike.This is a paradox (a mystery). I'm sorry you think it confusing but the next verse is my idea of a biblical marriage... ... vs 33, "Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband." It is a relevant question for people seeking marriage.
shepherdingking View Profile	What is a marriage? Posted : 13 Oct, 2010 11:13 AM The marriage ceremonies, vows and customs help define marriage in part. I know the Bridal side puts great emphasis on the wedding event. It should be recognized as a great, once in a lifetime thing. Jesus honored the wedding in Cana with the first recorded miracle. And the bible applies a marriage relationship to illustrate Christ and the Church. But it also says, "It is a great mystery." And if it is a mystery it seems only proper to get our idea of marriage from our close relationship to Jesus. Can unsaved people be truly married? That is a side question, but it requires dividing unsaved marriage with godly marriage. What does God want in marriage? Or what the world wants. I do not know of any bibilically recorded vows or ceremonies that are required for marriage. In fact, it says do not swear by heaven/make a vow, because how do we know if we will be able to perform it? Our marriage to Christ is guaranteed because we know God never fails. But marriage between sinners does not seem to have the same guarantee. Therefore any info on what makes a marriage work would be helpful. If we cannot define what a marriage is how can even know what we are talking about? Or should each person have their own definition because everyone is a little different. And what works foer one may not for another. :applause:
shepherdingking View Profile	Why do you like women? Posted : 12 Oct, 2010 03:22 PM That's a good question. The bible says it is good not to touch a woman, 1 Corinthians 7:1 NKJV. But is also says it is not good to be alone, (Genesis). So I guess I should just be happy talking with a woman. Maybe cooking and for help gardening. Eve was created to help Adam in his job of tending God's garden. Also the bible says: ... " Prov.31:11-12... "The heart of her husband safely trusts her; So he will have no lack of gain. She does him good and not evil All the days of her life. " Genesis 24:67..."he took Rebekah and she became his wife, and he loved her. So Isaac was comforted after his mother�s death." Isa.4:1.."And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, �We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel; Only let us be called by your name," So I like women because 1. they don't bug me about food or clothes. 2.They are very profitable & always do good. And 3. sometimes they can act like your mother. :ROFL:
shepherdingking View Profile	On what grounds can a man or woman divorce?...I know of only 2 are there more? Posted : 12 Oct, 2010 02:33 PM Yes 1 Cor 7:1-4 says if you deny your spouse it is the same as defrauding them. Witholding what another rightfully deserves is marital unfaithfulness and grounds for divorce.
shepherdingking View Profile	What is a marriage? Posted : 12 Oct, 2010 01:36 PM Someone said,"The idea of a certificate of marriage is for the most part for the purposes of the law, taxes and religion. It is not a Biblical concept at all." I agree in part with this statement. Who gave the authority to any man to sell a license for marriage. Who has the right to say who can marry or not. If you need permission and a license, that license granting agency can claim authority over anything in the marriage including your children. The bible does not define marriage or say you need a certificate of marriage. But it does say you need a certificate of divorce, Ezra 10:3 & Deut 24:1-5 when a wife is put away "Agunah" (chained wife) and not free to remarry, she must have a written certificate before she can remarry. If you cannot define a marriage biblically you should not condemn others. Marriage is a truth we hold to be self eident. We cannot define it but we know it when we see it. And it takes much more than a paper to make a marriage. And it takes more than a paper to get over the pain of being put away. What is a biblical marriage?

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